Ford Fiesta: 40 mpg Hwy - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

mick.wheelz · 05-25-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by atomsareenough

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

so 40 MPG is 5.9l/100km... thats not that brilliant fuel economy really...

the 06-08 yaris is rated at 6.0 (1.3)/ 6.1 (1.5) litres per 100km,
and the 09-10 yaris is rated at 6.5 (1.3)/ 6.7 (1.5) itres per 100km in Australia... why the hell aren't ford importing the diesel?

slothman86 · 05-26-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by atomsareenough

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

Actually not the normal version...the super fuel efficient version!

atomsareenough · 05-27-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by slothman86

Actually not the normal version...the super fuel efficient version!

Isn't it just the standard automatic transmission version? The engine isn't any different, right? What's different about the "super fuel efficient" version? It's my understanding that the manual has 5-speeds, but the auto has 6-speeds and is uses "dual-clutch", so it's more efficient.

fnkngrv · 05-25-2010, 12:32 AM

Either way you look at it, Ford has had its moments on sharp looking cars however it is like the other of the big 3...plagued with issues and recalls. Toyota is not "falling apart at the seems" as the networks are trying to make it look as well as certain politicians getting their pockets lined by constituents. The Escort was hailed as a very economic car back when it was introduced however after owning 2 of them when I was younger and replacing heads in the motors left and right literally as well as the moisture issues with the distro-caps and wiring connections, etc it is tough to swallow that the Fiesta will stomp on us...

Zaphod · 05-25-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Either way you look at it, Ford has had its moments on sharp looking cars however it is like the other of the big 3...plagued with issues and recalls. Toyota is not "falling apart at the seems" as the networks are trying to make it look as well as certain politicians getting their pockets lined by constituents. The Escort was hailed as a very economic car back when it was introduced however after owning 2 of them when I was younger and replacing heads in the motors left and right literally as well as the moisture issues with the distro-caps and wiring connections, etc it is tough to swallow that the Fiesta will stomp on us...

The escort was a total PoS, no doubt about it.

We had a Pinto in the family for 15 years. We even towed a pop-up trailer all over the US with that little car, but the extra stress on the uni-body frame from all that towing combined with rust put her into an early grave ... if you call 15 years an early grave for an economy car, the engine and transmission were still running strong!

I have a feeling the Fiesta is going to be a really nice little car. It sure does look sharp, no question about it!

john21031 · 05-25-2010, 01:01 AM

Thirty-Nine · 05-25-2010, 01:34 AM

mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though.

mick.wheelz · 05-25-2010, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though.

really? see the below table;

3.9 l/100km = 60.3114316 miles per gallon
5.8 l/100km = 40.5542385 miles per gallon

ah well.

atomsareenough · 05-25-2010, 10:23 AM

OK, let's go over that list.

Toyota Prius Hybrid - Hybrid engine, not pure gas engine
Smart Fortwo - As noted, it beats the Fiesta, but it's tiny
Honda Civic Hybrid - Again, hybrid
Suzuki Alto - 3 cylinder engine, model not sold in the US
Fiat 500 - Not sold in the US yet, though we're supposed to finally get it later this year
VW Polo - Not sold in the US
Mitsubishi Colt - Not sold in the US
Proton Savvy - Not sold in the US
Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US
MINI Cooper - That seems to have a better rating than the Fiesta, but here in the US they say it's 37mpg.

Also, the Fiesta has about 119-120 hp, and it weighs a few hundred pounds more than the Yaris, so all things considered, 40MPG on the highway isn't bad.

mick.wheelz · 05-26-2010, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by atomsareenough

OK, let's go over that list.

Toyota Prius Hybrid - Hybrid engine, not pure gas engine
Smart Fortwo - As noted, it beats the Fiesta, but it's tiny
Honda Civic Hybrid - Again, hybrid
Suzuki Alto - 3 cylinder engine, model not sold in the US
Fiat 500 - Not sold in the US yet, though we're supposed to finally get it later this year
VW Polo - Not sold in the US
Mitsubishi Colt - Not sold in the US
Proton Savvy - Not sold in the US
Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US
MINI Cooper - That seems to have a better rating than the Fiesta, but here in the US they say it's 37mpg.

Also, the Fiesta has about 119-120 hp, and it weighs a few hundred pounds more than the Yaris, so all things considered, 40MPG on the highway isn't bad.

The point i was trying to make is that there are lots of super efficiant small cars out there that get much more than 40mpg... thats all.

I didnt realise that the US had such a small subcompact market.

bronsin · 05-26-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mick.wheelz

The point i was trying to make is that there are lots of super efficiant small cars out there that get much more than 40mpg... thats all.

I didnt realise that the US had such a small subcompact market.

After the oil embargo in the 70s you had to weight six weeks to get a subcompact. With todays prices they sell prolly less than 100,000 SCs yearly here now.

bkrownd · 05-26-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by atomsareenough

Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US

This is the same as the Honda Fit, though it comes with a 1.6 liter(?) engine in the US.

atomsareenough · 05-26-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrownd

This is the same as the Honda Fit, though it comes with a 1.6 liter(?) engine in the US.

Ah, okay. I didn't look at the picture, but with the different name, tiny engine, and vastly better fuel economy, I just figured it was a different car.

Thirty-Nine · 05-25-2010, 10:37 AM

^^^

Exactly.

There have been more fuel-efficient cars sold in the U.S. for sure. However, with stricter emissions and safety law than before, we don't have any 45-50 MPG gasoline-only powered vehicles. There used to be quite a few of them.

Here's a chart I recently put together of subcompact EPA fuel mileage:
http://www.subcompactculture.com/201...age-chart.html

Next, a listing of the most fuel-efficient subcompacts that have EVER been sold in the U.S. (including the Honda Insight). Yes the Chevrolet Sprint got an EPA rating of 44/53!:
http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...ubcompact.html

FYI, there hasn't been a three-cylinder car sold on the U.S. market since the 1.0-liter metro in the 1990s.
http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...cars-with.html

Yaris Hilton · 05-25-2010, 10:49 AM

Stricter safety and emissions regulations have driven the decline in mileage, as well as the popular preference for larger and more powerful cars.

bronsin · 05-25-2010, 12:31 PM

My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in
30 years.

bkrownd · 05-25-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in
30 years.

Government-mandated equipment and emissions rules have increased sharply.

Hershey · 05-25-2010, 01:31 PM

don't forget the MAZDA 2 . Very good looking liftback . Sure to give the YARIS a run for the money . Too bad it doesn't have the 1.3 ltr. that was in the FORD Festiva . Great little car . Owned several of those . 1.3 ltr. one tough cookie , seen it take some serious abuse . There's a few still roaming about .

05-25-2010, 12:32 AM	#4
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05-25-2010, 01:34 AM	#7
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though. __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

05-25-2010, 10:37 AM	#14
Thirty-Nine Small cars are a big deal View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,144	^^^ Exactly. There have been more fuel-efficient cars sold in the U.S. for sure. However, with stricter emissions and safety law than before, we don't have any 45-50 MPG gasoline-only powered vehicles. There used to be quite a few of them. Here's a chart I recently put together of subcompact EPA fuel mileage: http://www.subcompactculture.com/201...age-chart.html Next, a listing of the most fuel-efficient subcompacts that have EVER been sold in the U.S. (including the Honda Insight). Yes the Chevrolet Sprint got an EPA rating of 44/53!: http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...ubcompact.html FYI, there hasn't been a three-cylinder car sold on the U.S. market since the 1.0-liter metro in the 1990s. http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...cars-with.html __________________ Subcompact Culture: The Small car blog

05-25-2010, 12:31 PM	#16
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,784	My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in 30 years. Last edited by bronsin; 05-25-2010 at 01:29 PM.

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