The Honda FIT...

[ricko]

No L, it was someone else who called the Honda 'PURE CRAP". Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Leenis24]

oh, totally alright, i didn't take it as anything but conversation. No harm

[plushDJ]

I totally called it pure crap, and by that I meant the looks. I finally saw one today in person and they're just plain old ugly! But come on, if I actually meant that about the reliability or build quality of a Honda, I think I'd have to slap myself. We all know they're one of the best built cars out there.

[ricko]

Glad to clear that up. I don't like the looks either, and despite how good the "Fit" may be, I think as an all-round package the "Yaris" is superior.

[corey415]

Honda Fit did well in this comparo test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...ap-skates.html

[ricko]

Of course it did well, the "Fit" is a proven car. I think a more appropriate comparison would be between the "Fit" Sport, and a Canadian Yaris RS 5-Door. The Canadian RS seems better spec'd than the American version, and is still about $1000 (Can.) less than the "Fit". At this price point, a thousand $$$ makes a big difference.

[Idjiit]

Well, and they're comparing it against the Yaris sedan which as I understand it is practically a completely different car than the Yaris Liftback/5 DR. Different suspension, longer wheelbase, etc. That isn't to say the Fit Sport sucks, it's just that it's not a great comparison.

[why?]

The temper tantrum is a decent car, but C&D recieved 36 mpg for the Yaris, and they fail to mention the mileage they got in the temper tantrum. They also noted the Yaris is lighter, and weight is the enemy.

I think a 3 dr lb with a few mods will make a temper tantrum look like a little child does next to a NFL lineman.

[ricko]

I agree ...... it was kinda like comparing apples to oranges. An all 5-Door comparo would have been better. A super-sub competition!!!!!!

[corey415]

Originally Posted by why?

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but C&D recieved 36 mpg for the Yaris, and they fail to mention the mileage they got in the temper tantrum. They also noted the Yaris is lighter, and weight is the enemy.

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They got 35mpg for the Honda Fit. Not bad considering it is "oh so heavy" and has good acceleration and large boot & cargo space.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd29ce.gif

[ricko]

A little off topic, but ............ if someone offers you a test drive in the new Civic SI, do not take it! That car is amazing!!!!!!!!! Obviousy at close to $10K (Can.) more than the Yaris RS you would expect that, but even at the price it is in my opinion a tremendous value.

[why?]

Originally Posted by corey415

They got 35mpg for the Honda Fit. Not bad considering it is "oh so heavy" and has good acceleration and large boot & cargo space.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd29ce.gif

You think they would've mentioned that in the piece. It is cool to see the Yaris has less lb per hp.

If C&D can average 36 mpg with a yaris it should not be so hard to get 40.

Also, the Yaris is faster to 100 mph, it had a faster quarter mile speed, better rolling 5-60 time, and of course better mpg.

It says the Yaris has a govenor, we will have to figure away to remove it.

[ricko]

Power to weight ratio is a very important factor, with small underpowered cars like the Yaris and Fit.

[Idjiit]

Here's some power-to-weight ratios I threw together just for the hell of it, listed from "worst" to best...

Car            |	Curb	|	HP 	|	lb. per HP
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Golf           |	2,857	|	115	|	24.8
Fit            |	2,432	|	109	|	22.3
Mini           |	2,524	|	115	|	21.9
Yaris LB       |	2,293	|	106	|	21.6
Yaris Sedan    |	2,293	|	106	|	21.6
Focus          |	2,627	|	136	|	19.3
Yaris Stripped |	2,037	|	106	|	19.2
Civic          |	2,593	|	140	|	18.5
Yaris SC       |	2,087	|	130	|	16.0
Mini S         |	2,679	|	168	|	15.9
Miata          |	2,474	|	170	|	14.5
WRX Wagon      |	3,252	|	230	|	14.1
Elise          |	1,984	|	190	|	10.4

The "Yaris Stripped" is with the backseats taken out, race seats and lighter wheels (using the 4 lbs per wheel pound lost calculation for unsprung weight).

The "Yaris SC" is Yaris Stripped w/Supercharger, assuming a conservative 20% power incrase.

[jdgriswald]

Checked out a Fit today, since they've just got to town. Was nice, but you know, if there was an apples to apples comparison, I'd would still prefer the Yaris. The fact that Toyota has watered down the U.S. version so badly, however, puts Fit in the conversation. If they at least offered a tach in the 3-door I'd still buy it over the Fit (not that that's a deal breaker).

I'm trying to convince myself I don't like the Fit with the following justifications:

It's a 5-year old design. The magic seats are rather gimicky.....Flat mode is a relative pain - you have to slide the front seats just to fold the rears down (granted there is a lever on the upper front seat for this). Long mode is useable. Relax mode....whatever. Tall mode is cool if you have a bike, or carry llamas. The spare tire cover panel, essentially the rear floor is cheap as hell press board. The same material that was in my '74 B-210 hatch that didn't hold up well even with metal reinforcements (which Fit doesn't have).....very flimsy. The rear head rests are rather large, and I don't believe they are removeable (could be wrong). The one problem I have with Hondas of late is their ricer stigma....every little Honda fanboy's got their pimped out Civic with the fart can muffler, the picnic table rear wing and the cheesy body kit, and I can only imagine how the Fit is going to draw the same crowd....no thanks.

That being said, it is a really nice car. It HAS a tach, the front seats do have more leg support, it HAS 5-doors and it's a Honda. Goddammit Toyota, quit short changing us!

The only thing on the U.S. Toyota lots that compares is the Scion xA, and I'm sorry to say, the Fit kicks it's ass despite it's higher price. If we had the 5-door Yaris RS that our friends in the rest of the world get, I think it would be another story.

[corey415]

Originally Posted by jdgriswald

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The rear head rests are rather large, and I don't believe they are removeable (could be wrong).

They are removable.

[hhcchen]

ok...
the competition is officially up...
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/...?ModelName=Fit

[why?]

Just read the SCC lovefest of the Honda Fit, and they admitted one thing.

The article is by James Tate, and it is in the June issue. he states," The Fit isn't a terribly quick car (The Toyota Yaris will walk away), ...

SCC loves honda's way to much, and it is refreshing to see someone in that mag say something even remotely negative about one.

Not to mention the positive about the Yaris. Hmm, why didn't they spend a dozen or so pages about the Yaris.