Under the hood of a 2012 Yaris

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by daf62757

In 5 to 10 years, see how well these other cars hold up. Past performance is a good indicator of future performance!

there are now plenty of hyundais an even domestics on the road that are quite fine after 10 yrs and 200K miles.

going by what you are saying, nobody should have ever bought japanese makes because in the 70's and early 80's their dependability and durability was abysmal.

honda and toyota are counting on peple just buying off their reputation. look at the quality of the interiors of their latest bread and butter cars as of late...the newest corolla and the newest civic. some of the cheapest interiors in the class, both of which have had some fit and finish issues, something you used to rarely see in japanese makes.

believe me, i felt the same way as you about toyota for a long time. i just eventaully came to the realization that toyota and honda still make good dependable cars, but that their competition has changed so dramatically that their monopoly on reliability is a thing of the past. once i opened my eyes to that there were so many choices out there.

i know some peple will cling to the past and brand X is all they wil ever buy. but, when the only argument in favor of a car like this new yaris is that its worth the cost of other cars in this class because its a toyota, i cant swallow that anymore.

does anyone believe toyota stuck that old engine in the yaris because it was depoendable? they just couldnt afford a more refined advanced engine in that car at this time. im not saying its not dependable. it is a very good engine, just past its prime compare to some of the competition offering larger, more powerful and yet more fuel efficient engine.

i understand the problems japan has with the value of the yen, earthqualke, etc...but as a consumer those cannot be my problems.

now, would i buy a 2012 yaris as a second car. yes, but not at the same price as an accent, which has proven reliable in its previous generation and is now dramatically better.

if you are going to build the cheapest subcompact out there, just price it as such. thats really the gripe for me. at $13k i would not have any issues about the awful interior quality of this yaris because that is what you can reasonably expect at that prce point.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

Good post.



It cost a lot more than a $100M to redesign the Yaris. Only the powertrain and a few other components carry over. Otherwise, it's a completely new car including a different wheelbase (which changes everything). This isn't just a facelift. Developing a new car costs $1-$6 BILLION! The 2012 Yaris probably close to a billion.

Check out this article...http://translogic.aolautos.com/2010/...op-new-models/



Just remember that as long as the Yaris is built in Japan, it will never compete on content and price simultaneously. Notice that the only other sub-compact car built in Japan and sold in the US is the Fit and it's the most expensive model. A sport starts at $17K. A plain looking stripped model is over $15K. The only way to effectively load up a sub-compact and sell it at a bargain price is to build it in Korea or Mexico. Even building it in America is more doable than importing a Japan built one (as GM is doing with the new Spark).

The primary advantage of the Japanese built Yaris and Fit? Unmatched reliability/dependability. Pretty good reason for me.

I just don't buy the story that it is a complete redesign. 1 billion to redesign a car that isn't a money maker doesn't make any sense.

[Hershey]

Don't forget . You get knee airbag and side airbags in the seats along with the active head rests . A few other additions as well . So , not such a bad price at under $14,500 .

[CanIHazYarisHatch?]

Originally Posted by Hershey

Don't forget . You get knee airbag and side airbags in the seats along with the active head rests . A few other additions as well . So , not such a bad price at under $14,500 .

When it comes to airbags, the new Yaris is 5lbs. of airbags in a 1lb....erm, bag.

[eTiMaGo]

Toyota can do sport... they got into NASCAR to sell... more Camrys?

Actually it's not really fair to say all of this without mentioning the Lexus IS-F and LF-A (as if any of us here could afford the latter), there is always hope for something in between those and the FT86...

[CanIHazYarisHatch?]

Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

Toyota can do sport... they got into NASCAR to sell... more Camrys?

Actually it's not really fair to say all of this without mentioning the Lexus IS-F and LF-A (as if any of us here could afford the latter), there is always hope for something in between those and the FT86...

Yes. I'm hoping for a new Celica, and based off it's drivetrain, a new MR2. The MR2 Turbo is the most fun car I have ever driven, yet still it is reliable.

I hope Toyota returns to their awesome roots during the late 80's early 90's when several of their cars offered reliable, yet still fun performance.

I shouldn't be forced to buy a Miata to get reliable and fun in the same vehicle. I'm not a Miata kind of guy.

[eTiMaGo]

yeah hairdressing school can be pretty expensive :D

[CanIHazYarisHatch?]

Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

yeah hairdressing school can be pretty expensive :D

I admit it...I LOL'd.

The Miata is still a great driver's car, but it has an "image" problem I'd rather not associate myself with.

[Vinsanity]

sold my yaris about a year ago! First time logging back on since, I think I'm going to purchase a new yaris as soon as I can!!!!

[CanIHazYarisHatch?]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

sold my yaris about a year ago! First time logging back on since, I think I'm going to purchase a new yaris as soon as I can!!!!

Sounds great! The 2012s are sweeeeeeeeet!