Aftermarket Short Shifter UPDATES - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Moose · 03-20-2007, 05:18 PM

Although I'm all about the aftermarket short-shifter, I'm not too enthuised about the whole stainless-steel-bushings-thing. I would much rather see a nice urethane set from Energy Suspension. I can imagine, since the steel bushings have NO play, that there could be negative side effects from using them. You should have a little play in the shifter- the rubber bushings, besides just insulating noise and vibration, keep you, the idiot human, from bending your shift forks and linkages when your shift angle is just a little off.

Just a thought.

jdubau55 · 03-20-2007, 06:10 PM

AKA Delrin

Not sure of the stock bushing OD but .875" OD x 4' is only like 13 bux.

largeorangefont · 03-20-2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose

Although I'm all about the aftermarket short-shifter, I'm not too enthuised about the whole stainless-steel-bushings-thing. I would much rather see a nice urethane set from Energy Suspension. I can imagine, since the steel bushings have NO play, that there could be negative side effects from using them. You should have a little play in the shifter- the rubber bushings, besides just insulating noise and vibration, keep you, the idiot human, from bending your shift forks and linkages when your shift angle is just a little off.

Just a thought.

I agree. I really doubt they would actually make them out of steel though.

eTiMaGo · 03-21-2007, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose

Although I'm all about the aftermarket short-shifter, I'm not too enthuised about the whole stainless-steel-bushings-thing. I would much rather see a nice urethane set from Energy Suspension. I can imagine, since the steel bushings have NO play, that there could be negative side effects from using them. You should have a little play in the shifter- the rubber bushings, besides just insulating noise and vibration, keep you, the idiot human, from bending your shift forks and linkages when your shift angle is just a little off.

Just a thought.

I'm not so sure it's a big concern with this car, if you look at the way the shifter system is assembled, the only connection between the shifter and the gearbox itself are two rods that go only backward and forward, there should not be any need for any play since there's no way to really mess up your shift.

TWM also has some aluminium replacement bushings.

ChinoCharles · 03-21-2007, 12:44 AM

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TWM also has some aluminium replacement bushings.

TWM's bushings are for the cage. They are not for the tranny-side linkage. This is why I am so excited that these may be produced. It is uncharted territory, and that we don't want.

With stainless steel bushings, there is no play, so there are drawbacks. You will feel the road through your shifter. Some will say that for a daily driver it is pointless or annoying, but I personally like as much input from my car as possible. It helps you make decisions. The electronic power steering is already robbing you of that effect to a degree. Control is increased, but as Moose mentioned it comes at the price of risking long-term damage. If you're not an experienced stick driver, you may want to wait until you're good and comfortable before moving to steel bushings. If this isn't your first date with a clutch, however, you'll probably enjoy the sensation of actually feeling yourself sinking into gear.

eTiMaGo · 03-21-2007, 02:14 AM

aaaah i see, my bad there

most interesting, then....

ChinoCharles · 04-10-2007, 12:13 PM

OK. This is it folks. Cat is out of the bag... I hope I don't get yelled at for posting this, but it can now be found through the main web site, so I don't think I am sworn to secrecy anymore.

http://www.nonstoptuning.com/ProductsDrivetrain.htm

'Nuff said. NST FTW!!!

Nutzoids · 04-10-2007, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

OK. This is it folks. Cat is out of the bag... I hope I don't get yelled at for posting this, but it can now be found through the main web site, so I don't think I am sworn to secrecy anymore.

http://www.nonstoptuning.com/ProductsDrivetrain.htm

'Nuff said. NST FTW!!!

The Million Dollar Question is still on the Table...

WILL IT WORK WITH TWM's KIT?

ChinoCharles · 04-10-2007, 12:19 PM

IT WILL! Your throws would be so short its insane!

The Two Million Dollar Question then...

When is it "too short?"

Nutzoids · 04-10-2007, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChinoCharles

IT WILL! Your throws would be so short its insane!

The Two Million Dollar Question then...

When is it "too short?"

When your girlfriend says...

"It's OK dear... I was sleepy anyway!"

ChinoCharles · 04-10-2007, 12:24 PM

Oh jeez...

Black Yaris · 04-10-2007, 12:26 PM

what about the "TRD style" short throw, with our modified shifters? how short do you think those will be?

ChinoCharles · 04-10-2007, 12:28 PM

I have a modified shifter and I'll likely be testing this new short shifter (which is tranny side) so I will let you guys know just how short it is.

eTiMaGo · 04-10-2007, 12:32 PM

my only concern, after installing the TWM one, is that if it is combined with the TRD/CC shifter, it's going to be much too hard to push the lever into gear, there's already a lot of resistance.

But, wait and see

acrbill · 04-10-2007, 11:14 PM

Are you saying that the NST short shifter is on the tranny side?

Back in my Neon days we used to have a mod where we moved the pivot point on the gear selector arm in about an inch. That eventually evolved into someone making a new arm. I did that mod along with a true short shifter and holy crap where the shifts short. I think it was 2.5" total forward back motion.

I will however say this. I had urethane bushings on the shift cables and they made shifting quickly difficult. I ended up putting the stock bushings back on the shifter side and leaving the aftermarkets on the tranny side and that helped a ton.

A short shifter is a mod you can enjoy dozens of times a day.

ChinoCharles · 04-11-2007, 02:54 AM

It is tranny side. I think if bushings were made they'd be stainless steel.

YarisGuy · 04-11-2007, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acrbill

A short shifter is a mod you can enjoy dozens of times a day.

If not more

barebonedvitz · 04-13-2007, 01:49 AM

ey charles, any update on the shifter combo? thanx man!

03-20-2007, 05:18 PM	#19
Moose Resident Redneck Drives: 07 Polar White Yaris Sedan 5M Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 265	Although I'm all about the aftermarket short-shifter, I'm not too enthuised about the whole stainless-steel-bushings-thing. I would much rather see a nice urethane set from Energy Suspension. I can imagine, since the steel bushings have NO play, that there could be negative side effects from using them. You should have a little play in the shifter- the rubber bushings, besides just insulating noise and vibration, keep you, the idiot human, from bending your shift forks and linkages when your shift angle is just a little off. Just a thought. __________________ My other rides: 2003 Honda Civic LX Coupe 5M- S/C K24 w/ LSD coming soon! 1999 Honda Civic EX Coupe 5M w/ B18 powaa 1985 Toyota Celica GTS Coupe 5M- track whip http://www.importlounge.com

03-21-2007, 02:14 AM	#24
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	aaaah i see, my bad there most interesting, then.... __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

04-10-2007, 12:26 PM	#30
Black Yaris der Zeck View User's Garage Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 5,231	what about the "TRD style" short throw, with our modified shifters? how short do you think those will be? __________________

04-10-2007, 12:32 PM	#32
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	my only concern, after installing the TWM one, is that if it is combined with the TRD/CC shifter, it's going to be much too hard to push the lever into gear, there's already a lot of resistance. But, wait and see __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

04-10-2007, 11:14 PM	#33
acrbill Drives: Polar White Hatch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 407	Are you saying that the NST short shifter is on the tranny side? Back in my Neon days we used to have a mod where we moved the pivot point on the gear selector arm in about an inch. That eventually evolved into someone making a new arm. I did that mod along with a true short shifter and holy crap where the shifts short. I think it was 2.5" total forward back motion. I will however say this. I had urethane bushings on the shift cables and they made shifting quickly difficult. I ended up putting the stock bushings back on the shifter side and leaving the aftermarkets on the tranny side and that helped a ton. A short shifter is a mod you can enjoy dozens of times a day. __________________ ChinoCharles Intake supporter.

03-20-2007, 06:10 PM	#20
jdubau55 Drives: 2007 White Yaris LB 5 Spd. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 451	AKA Delrin Not sure of the stock bushing OD but .875" OD x 4' is only like 13 bux.

04-10-2007, 12:13 PM	#25
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	OK. This is it folks. Cat is out of the bag... I hope I don't get yelled at for posting this, but it can now be found through the main web site, so I don't think I am sworn to secrecy anymore. http://www.nonstoptuning.com/ProductsDrivetrain.htm 'Nuff said. NST FTW!!!

04-10-2007, 12:19 PM	#27
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	IT WILL! Your throws would be so short its insane! The Two Million Dollar Question then... When is it "too short?"

04-10-2007, 12:24 PM	#29
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	Oh jeez...

04-10-2007, 12:28 PM	#31
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	I have a modified shifter and I'll likely be testing this new short shifter (which is tranny side) so I will let you guys know just how short it is.

04-11-2007, 02:54 AM	#34
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	It is tranny side. I think if bushings were made they'd be stainless steel.

04-13-2007, 01:49 AM	#36
barebonedvitz return of the comeback Drives: white '08LB..very nice,i like Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: sacramento,CA Posts: 155	ey charles, any update on the shifter combo? thanx man!

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