Just an observation...

[BEEF]

Garm,

I honestly wouldn't do either. I was late on the trigger with that Blitz for $1300 just a few days ago (still kicking myself for that one). I just think it would be nice to have a power option for the yaris. even the 1.8 liter in the yaris. there is a guy on here from south africa that has one. that would be awesome.

all,

A friend of mine once said that when it comes to making power, everyone goes for the low hanging fruit but if you want more and more you have to pay more and more. that really struck me. eventually all the relatively cheap and easy bolt-ons have been done and you either have to be happy where you are or spend some money to get to that next level. (sucks to be at that point)

[Captain Slow]

Exactly, which is kinda why I'm glad I'm not going FI...it'll just start an addiction again. I promised myself when I got the Yaris that I'd only modify it enough to make it a little faster and still a comfy daily driver.

[cali yaris]

A 1.8L swap would be fairly easy and a pretty nice bump. The Yaris TS comes with that, so mounts would not be hard to source, and you could mate it to the 6-speed. Nice.

[Captain Slow]

Likely when these cars are a little older and you can find a used 1.8L a little easier it will be a more popular mod. For now I'm plenty impressed with the bolt-ons. Just can't wait to see a dyno showing the new MI manifold along with some other mods.

[why?]

you make me want to get my car on a scale and then go dyno it.

I can't use the power and handling ability my car has now. I'm just not the type to drive 3 hours for an event full of people i don't know to spend who knows how much to autocross or get on a drag strip.

The Yaris is just so dirt cheap to do everything. My Viggin was $1000 to do anything with. The wheels were a mandatory swap because they were garbage. If you full throttled the thing on take off it would go sideways, not forward. And don't start with mods. And then the price for 93 octane gas and 29 mpg at best.

More to the point, they cost $13 grand brand new. Most cars, even used, that we would want would be more, so mods still don't break the bank compared to buying a BRZ, a used TT Supra, or basically any sporty vehicle.

How many cars can you say you bought brand new, and including all maintenance and mods has still cost less than $20 grand in this day and age?

and honda's are overrated, even with the decades of tech they have had to put into mods. And even then, with so called turned key engine swaps, they are not cheap at all.

[cali yaris]

Is it whp to weight? 1:5.6

Or do you count bhp? 1:5.0

[Captain Slow]

I always measure everything in flywheel horsepower. Why? Because if I'm comparing it to a new car using the manufacturer's specs they're always listed that way. I want to know how much the MOTOR makes, not what gets to the ground. You always have to assume a 10-20% drivetrain loss on any vehicle.

As for the comment on Hondas, the 1980s and 1990s Hondas were good, massive horsepower (albeit shitty torque numbers) from very small I4 engines. After the year 2000 though most Hondas are shit, they turned into granny cars that are difficult to mod. Not only that but the build quality has gone down significantly. I disliked Toyotas from the 90s (except for Supra obviously) but in the last 4-5 years they've gotten much sportier.

[BEEF]

I think the biggest thing for me (on hondas) are they have gotten very fat.

I think most car companies have done that though. gone are the days of the 1800lb car. I would love to have a new car that was 1600lbs.

side note: first car was a 3 cylinder geo metro (1650lbs)