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*kimona* · 07-17-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Yaris

I'm with ya.... the Auto is just for the lazy, everything you just quoted from kimona can not be backed up, and the manual trans is the superior trans for the Yaris

That's a lot of crap, man. If you like the stick, great... enjoy it! But some like the auto for good reasons.

PetersRedYaris · 07-17-2007, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

I'm with ya.... the Auto is just for the lazy, everything you just quoted from kimona can not be backed up, and the manual trans is the superior trans for the Yaris

Transmission type is purely personal preference. Those of you driving a manual and thinking it's a fast car have lost touch with reality. Their BOTH slow.

Black Yaris · 07-18-2007, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

Transmission type is purely personal preference. Those of you driving a manual and thinking it's a fast car have lost touch with reality. Their BOTH slow.

but the auto is much more slugish, I test drove the auto when I was decieding on which Yaris, but it just did not have enough balls for me
but yes they are both slow... for now

*kimona* · 07-16-2007, 03:05 PM

I drove a Smart for about a week when I lived in Taiwan. Cute, nimble, and easy to park, but it makes the Yaris look and feel like a big car!

The Smart reminded me of a sewing machine!

For my money, I'd stick with Toyota value and reliability.

sherryberry · 07-16-2007, 03:39 PM

wow the Smart is just way too small for comfort. I'd be afraid what would happen in an accident to the person. I cannot see someone surviving the crash that was shown in that youtube vid.. or else they'll survive with their legs chopped off.

roxy84 · 07-16-2007, 04:32 PM

well, there must be a large number of super skilled 5 speed yaris drivers out there. i just dont think you have to be particularly skilled to get better fuel economy with a manual tranny. when i researched every possible forum discussing the yaris before buying one, the vast majority of drivers getting the real high mileages were driving the 5 speed. i think anyone who has driven a stick most of their life will better the auto fuel economy by more that 1 mpg. my last 2 tanks at 60/40 highway/city were 42.6 mpg and 42.4 mpg, and the car has only 980 miles, so its not even broken in.

fueleconomy.gov users show closer to a 2 mpg disparity between a stick and auto yaris.

agreed, if you bought the stick so you can thrash the little yaris engine or you dont know how to pick the proper shift points for optimal fuel economy, you may not beat the auto tranny mileage.

gaffo · 03-02-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roxy84

well, there must be a large number of super skilled 5 speed yaris drivers out there. i just dont think you have to be particularly skilled to get better fuel economy with a manual tranny. when i researched every possible forum discussing the yaris before buying one, the vast majority of drivers getting the real high mileages were driving the 5 speed. i think anyone who has driven a stick most of their life will better the auto fuel economy by more that 1 mpg. my last 2 tanks at 60/40 highway/city were 42.6 mpg and 42.4 mpg, and the car has only 980 miles, so its not even broken in.

fueleconomy.gov users show closer to a 2 mpg disparity between a stick and auto yaris.

agreed, if you bought the stick so you can thrash the little yaris engine or you dont know how to pick the proper shift points for optimal fuel economy, you may not beat the auto tranny mileage.

2 points:

1. you can shift for optimum fuel economy (which you do). This means shifting at lower RPMs.

2. You can shift in the powerband (which i do). This means shifting at higher RPMs.

PotAto - Potato.

You will get 42 mpg, and I consistently get 37 mpg.

..............

Even I with my higher RPM shifting will get better mileage (and alot more reserve power!) than the automatic. I also downshift alot, which conserves fuel, and brakes - though perhaps not the tranny ;-/.

drmitch · 07-16-2007, 07:13 PM

Very interesting and helpful replies; thank you. In the video, I doubt we'd be in very good shape in that 70 mph crash in EITHER the Smart or the Yaris...anyway, I'm contacting the dealer who had the auto trans for $11988 to see if they'll still give me that price. If so, I may take the plunge after all...

TLyttle · 07-16-2007, 09:04 PM

I had no problem with the stick itself, placement is always a matter or personal preference. I own a Mustang and an Ominous, no problem with either, and expected the same with the Yaris. Wrong.

The Yaris box/linkage works fine for me, better than the previous vehicles, but it took me a while to get used to the clutch. Now the clutch is broken in, it is fine.

It is the damn throttle that is so vague! Wave your foot over it, and you got another 1,000 rpm, actually touch it, and away it goes, and I hate that. I considered a tougher throttle spring, we'll see what the dealer says. For now, it is the ONLY complaint that I have about the vehicle.

In very many ways, the Yaris reminds me of my old Morris: just plain fun to drive.

grampi · 07-17-2007, 01:06 PM

From what I remember about my short Yaris 5 speed test drive, its tranny is far smoother than that in my '99 Corolla, which isn't bad. It's closer to the silky smooth manuals found in the Hondas than it is to my Corolla's.

death is my gift · 07-17-2007, 01:35 PM

At 17, my first car was a standard. I loved it SO much. Then I bought a new car at 21. It was an automatic. I instantly regretted it. I got ANOTHER car at age 24. Another automatic. I traded that in for my Yaris, which is a standard. I adore it. No problems on my end.

stuffy · 07-17-2007, 03:09 PM

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if you are thinking about a smart watch this and think again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
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wow the Smart is just way too small for comfort. I'd be afraid what would happen in an accident to the person. I cannot see someone surviving the crash that was shown in that youtube vid.. or else they'll survive with their legs chopped off.

the point of that program on youtube was to show how well the smart stood up in a crash with a speed of 80 mp/h into a concrete barrier, the yaris would not have stood up as well in a similar crash.

no one would survive that crash in a smart, yaris and maybe not any other type of larger vehicle because the stop is too sudden for your internal organs to withstand.

drmitch · 07-17-2007, 08:40 PM

Exactly. I was quite impressed with how the Smart stood up to the impact. Given a fender-bender, it would appear one would be just as safe in the Smart as in any other smaller vehicle. In a 70 mph crash into a concrete wall...I dunno WHAT you'd be "safe" in, or survive in. I'd like to see a side-impact test with the Smart.

TLyttle · 07-17-2007, 08:50 PM

Good question, drmitch, even survival at that speed becomes a poor option.

Vanderkitten · 07-18-2007, 03:20 AM

As a commuter the Auto is the no-brainer. As an attempt to extract the maximum amount of straight line performance out of the car, the stick is the obvious choice for accelerating AND braking (barring a panic stop).

Corner speed, however, is identical, and I would also agree that those not skilled with proper gear selection, nor caring, should opt for the auto. I have had the luck to run with an automatic Yaris both in the city and on the freeway, and unfortunately, there is no comparison in slow v. slower, the stick is less-slow. =)

The Yaris feel like your sitting on a kiddie booster seat eating cheerios with your hands and no milk... but at the track it surprises a lot of fast cars and a lot Miatas as well (with the right mods).

Again, improve the driver, improve the car... that's the best upgrade!

gsalsiri · 07-18-2007, 03:27 AM

I've had the Yaris now only for a couple of weeks and found the shifting to be equal if not better to my old Golf's.

eTiMaGo · 07-18-2007, 09:05 AM

I agree, the shifting was awkward at first, especially the clutch, but like most other things in life, it's something you can get used to. I can drive smoother than ever before now

As mentioned before, in the end, the decision between manual and auto depends entirely on your preference and driving style. i.e., do you drive the car, or do you ride the car?

If you'll just be using the car to get you from point A to point B around town, then an automatic is more than adequate, you won't have to worry about overdeveloped left leg muscles, you can drink your coffee or talk on the phone calmly with one hand

. But a manual is just fine as well if you yourself are comfortable with driving manuals on a daily basis in general.

As soon as you start thinking about autocross, quarter-mile or going around a track, then you should seriously consider the manual. Sure, the automatic transmission is more than capable of handling those tasks, and you can still have a lot of fun with it, but it really can't compare to the control that a manual brings to the table.

And come on, you can probably impress chicks by showing them you have the skillz to drive manual. Though having a free hand with an automatic can be advantageous in this situation

So there you go, my own 2 cents on the matter

Thirty-Nine · 07-18-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by eTiMaGo

And come on, you can probably impress chicks by showing them you have the skillz to drive manual. Though having a free hand with an automatic can be advantageous in this situation

LOL! I like that!

07-17-2007, 01:35 PM	#11
death is my gift wacky broadway nightmare View User's Garage Drives: Willow is a '07 Red Yaris LB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 621	At 17, my first car was a standard. I loved it SO much. Then I bought a new car at 21. It was an automatic. I instantly regretted it. I got ANOTHER car at age 24. Another automatic. I traded that in for my Yaris, which is a standard. I adore it. No problems on my end. __________________ "it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off" Buffy

07-18-2007, 03:20 AM	#15
Vanderkitten Drives: 2007 Yaris Hatchback Join Date: May 2007 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 243	As a commuter the Auto is the no-brainer. As an attempt to extract the maximum amount of straight line performance out of the car, the stick is the obvious choice for accelerating AND braking (barring a panic stop). Corner speed, however, is identical, and I would also agree that those not skilled with proper gear selection, nor caring, should opt for the auto. I have had the luck to run with an automatic Yaris both in the city and on the freeway, and unfortunately, there is no comparison in slow v. slower, the stick is less-slow. =) The Yaris feel like your sitting on a kiddie booster seat eating cheerios with your hands and no milk... but at the track it surprises a lot of fast cars and a lot Miatas as well (with the right mods). Again, improve the driver, improve the car... that's the best upgrade! __________________ Dave V- Creator-Vanderkitten- Clothing for Women Who Kick Ass! Many thanks to our sponsors: Weapon-R http://weapon-r.com Megan Racing http://www.meganracing.com Les Schwab Tires http://www.lesschwab.com 317 graphics http://www.317graphics.com

07-18-2007, 03:27 AM	#16
gsalsiri View User's Garage Drives: Toyota Yaris RS 4Dr Silver Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 29	I've had the Yaris now only for a couple of weeks and found the shifting to be equal if not better to my old Golf's. __________________ gsalsiri 2007 Toyota Yaris RS 4 DR. Lift Back Sliver Streak Mica

07-18-2007, 09:05 AM	#17
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	I agree, the shifting was awkward at first, especially the clutch, but like most other things in life, it's something you can get used to. I can drive smoother than ever before now As mentioned before, in the end, the decision between manual and auto depends entirely on your preference and driving style. i.e., do you drive the car, or do you ride the car? If you'll just be using the car to get you from point A to point B around town, then an automatic is more than adequate, you won't have to worry about overdeveloped left leg muscles, you can drink your coffee or talk on the phone calmly with one hand . But a manual is just fine as well if you yourself are comfortable with driving manuals on a daily basis in general. As soon as you start thinking about autocross, quarter-mile or going around a track, then you should seriously consider the manual. Sure, the automatic transmission is more than capable of handling those tasks, and you can still have a lot of fun with it, but it really can't compare to the control that a manual brings to the table. And come on, you can probably impress chicks by showing them you have the skillz to drive manual. Though having a free hand with an automatic can be advantageous in this situation So there you go, my own 2 cents on the matter __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

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kimona Super Moderator Drives: 2014 White VITZ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huntington Bch, CA Posts: 4,938	I drove a Smart for about a week when I lived in Taiwan. Cute, nimble, and easy to park, but it makes the Yaris look and feel like a big car! The Smart reminded me of a sewing machine! For my money, I'd stick with Toyota value and reliability.

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sherryberry Drives: 07 Blazing Blue Yaris Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,305	wow the Smart is just way too small for comfort. I'd be afraid what would happen in an accident to the person. I cannot see someone surviving the crash that was shown in that youtube vid.. or else they'll survive with their legs chopped off.

07-16-2007, 04:32 PM	#6
roxy84 Drives: 07 black yaris 5 speed lb Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 54	well, there must be a large number of super skilled 5 speed yaris drivers out there. i just dont think you have to be particularly skilled to get better fuel economy with a manual tranny. when i researched every possible forum discussing the yaris before buying one, the vast majority of drivers getting the real high mileages were driving the 5 speed. i think anyone who has driven a stick most of their life will better the auto fuel economy by more that 1 mpg. my last 2 tanks at 60/40 highway/city were 42.6 mpg and 42.4 mpg, and the car has only 980 miles, so its not even broken in. fueleconomy.gov users show closer to a 2 mpg disparity between a stick and auto yaris. agreed, if you bought the stick so you can thrash the little yaris engine or you dont know how to pick the proper shift points for optimal fuel economy, you may not beat the auto tranny mileage.

07-16-2007, 07:13 PM	#8
drmitch Drives: 2007 Yaris 2 DR Hatch Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 11	Very interesting and helpful replies; thank you. In the video, I doubt we'd be in very good shape in that 70 mph crash in EITHER the Smart or the Yaris...anyway, I'm contacting the dealer who had the auto trans for $11988 to see if they'll still give me that price. If so, I may take the plunge after all...

07-16-2007, 09:04 PM	#9
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	I had no problem with the stick itself, placement is always a matter or personal preference. I own a Mustang and an Ominous, no problem with either, and expected the same with the Yaris. Wrong. The Yaris box/linkage works fine for me, better than the previous vehicles, but it took me a while to get used to the clutch. Now the clutch is broken in, it is fine. It is the damn throttle that is so vague! Wave your foot over it, and you got another 1,000 rpm, actually touch it, and away it goes, and I hate that. I considered a tougher throttle spring, we'll see what the dealer says. For now, it is the ONLY complaint that I have about the vehicle. In very many ways, the Yaris reminds me of my old Morris: just plain fun to drive.

07-17-2007, 01:06 PM	#10
grampi Drives: Corolla Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 325	From what I remember about my short Yaris 5 speed test drive, its tranny is far smoother than that in my '99 Corolla, which isn't bad. It's closer to the silky smooth manuals found in the Hondas than it is to my Corolla's.

07-17-2007, 08:40 PM	#13
drmitch Drives: 2007 Yaris 2 DR Hatch Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 11	Exactly. I was quite impressed with how the Smart stood up to the impact. Given a fender-bender, it would appear one would be just as safe in the Smart as in any other smaller vehicle. In a 70 mph crash into a concrete wall...I dunno WHAT you'd be "safe" in, or survive in. I'd like to see a side-impact test with the Smart.

07-17-2007, 08:50 PM	#14
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Good question, drmitch, even survival at that speed becomes a poor option.