Scion Evolution Douchbaggery

[joey1320]

Originally Posted by acrbill

You think the Scion people are assholes? Try the SRT-4 guys. Holy hell do they think they are gods gift to everyone. I knew a nice guy who turned into a raging prick once he traded his 01 Neon for an srt-4.

Conversely I just picked up a base model Mustang and the local Mustang people seem pretty cool even though its not a V8.

P.S.

when are you coming up for these FREE hubcaps?

haha i had an SRT4 before the Yaris but i was never an asshole. i went to one meeting and i realized that 90% of the SRT4 owners were young, stupid, ricers wanna be and i never went to another one.

[joey1320]

Originally Posted by sdmf

so you're saying if i drop a boosted 3sgte in my car, i automatically have a sports car since its going to be fast? just because they are fast doesnt give them sports car status. i guess people have different perspective on what a sports car means. anyway im through with this topic, its really going nowhere, i just wanted to be heard, moderater please close this thread.

sorry for sounding off like an ass but i was kinda drunk when i posted that last nite. actually if you read my post you will see that i don't consider power as the only meassures of a sports cars. theres a lot of variations and yes power is one of them but not the deciding factor.

[sdmf]

i know what you mean acrbill, especially since your near the schaumburg area, srt4, evo, and sti people uggg. well i guess its the age range, the older people are pretty cool, its just the younger ones who think their the badd assesss.

[Motorhead6T5]

Sports cars are RWD two seaters,you can kick and scream all day about it but a TC is nowhere near a sportscar. I laugh when mustang guys call there car a sports car,its not, its a sports coupe,like the TC. Sports cars are meant to go fast around a race track. A miata is a sports car,a corvette is a sportscar,a mr2 is a sports car. A scion TC is not and will never be.

[ddongbap]

I don't know where you guys automaticlly got the concept that sports cars are all RWD. Sports cars are based on class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

Actually, who draws the line for sports cars? Bugatti Veyron is a super hyper car, and uses AWD, but someone might draw the line for that car, since its the fastest production car out there currently.j

I think the "Sport" class is a broad class. Which ranges from subcompact, like the Yaris, to four-door, like the Mazdaspeed6. Not to forget the crazy speeds like the McLaren F1, and the Bugatti Veyron.

[redduck]

this whole argument is subjective to opinion.

[cali yaris]

Here we go.

Motorhead, I eat Miatas for lunch, but to you my Scion's still not a sports car, I guess.

Um, I guess my membership in SCCA is null and void? You know it stand for Sport Car Club of America, and allows a lot of the cars you're saying aren't "sports cars". LOL.

Where do all these NARROW points of view come from anyway?

Name your official source, please? I'd like to be educated.

[Motorhead6T5]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Here we go.

Motorhead, I eat Miatas for lunch, but to you my Scion's still not a sports car, I guess.

Um, I guess my membership in SCCA is null and void? You know it stand for Sport Car Club of America, and allows a lot of the cars you're saying aren't "sports cars". LOL.

Where do all these NARROW points of view come from anyway?

Name your official source, please? I'd like to be educated.

Yes you are correct your car is still not a sports car,the official definition is RWD,2 seat,convertable. If it does not fit all three,it is not a sports car. Your car may be sporty,but it still doesn't fit the bill. Sportscar has nothing to do with being fast in all out speed or being able to woop on a sportscar. You have a sport coupe. SCCA allows trucks to race whats your point? Does that make it a sportscar lol? I bet you call the president and ask him the official definition of a sports car he would tell you the same thing,if he has any knowledge of automotive history that is.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by Motorhead6T5

Yes you are correct your car is still not a sports car,the official definition is RWD,2 seat,convertable.

Hah! I bite my thumb at your definition!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

"A sports car is type of automobile designed for sporting performance. While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to excel at a combination of acceleration, top speed, braking, and maneuverability. Great emphasis is often placed on handling—the ability of the car to remain in the control of the driver under challenging condition such as when the car's tires begin to lose their grip on corners."

There are plenty of ways to define it, but your "official" definition?

[Motorhead6T5]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

Hah! I bite my thumb at your definition!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

"A sports car is type of automobile designed for sporting performance. While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to excel at a combination of acceleration, top speed, braking, and maneuverability. Great emphasis is often placed on handling—the ability of the car to remain in the control of the driver under challenging condition such as when the car's tires begin to lose their grip on corners."

There are plenty of ways to define it, but your "official" definition?

Looks like its right there,your opinion differs,but the correct definition is right there in bold.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

Hah! I bite my thumb at your definition!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car

"A sports car is type of automobile designed for sporting performance. While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to excel at a combination of acceleration, top speed, braking, and maneuverability. Great emphasis is often placed on handling—the ability of the car to remain in the control of the driver under challenging condition such as when the car's tires begin to lose their grip on corners."

There are plenty of ways to define it, but your "official" definition?

I like this one

Originally Posted by Motorhead6T5

Nope,a true sportscar is a rwd 2seater vert. Thats the original definition. Ever heard the saying "Corvette,americas only true sportscar",and that was the truth till the viper came out.


None of them are my quotes,I'm using your own questionable wikpedia link against you. Anybody can post definitions on there apparently(wikpedia).

BTW, aren't convertable considered roadsters? More so than sports cars? Wouldn't that mean that Supras, and RX-7's aren't sports cars, since they wern't offered in a convertable option? That would only leave the s2000 so far, that I can think of off the top of my head. Oh, and the 350z.

I don't think the most current 'Vette Z06 came as a convertable, does it?

Would rally cars be considered as sport?

This entire "sports car" argument kinda reminds me of what a real "ricer" is. Though the original term came from describing Japanese motorcycles, the term is used as derogatroy towards Japanese cars nowadays.

Its so vauge in description, since theres so many different variations.

Like those Crossover SUV/SAV/whatevers. Not quite this, but not quite that. Though Crossovers, I think, is in its own class.

Oh, and where would an M5 fit? mmmmm I love that M5 goodness.

OH! and since M6's were derived from a covertable, with a carbon fiber non-removeable top... sports, or not?


A lot of people bring up good points, but theres so many other things that'll contradict (or so it seems) everyones reasoning. A vauge description would fit for a vauge class. Sports = something sporty. or potentially sporty.

[Motorhead6T5]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

I like this one




BTW, aren't convertable considered roadsters? More so than sports cars? Wouldn't that mean that Supras, and RX-7's aren't sports cars, since they wern't offered in a convertable option? That would only leave the s2000 so far, that I can think of off the top of my head. Oh, and the 350z.

I don't think the most current 'Vette Z06 came as a convertable, does it?

Would rally cars be considered as sport?

This entire "sports car" argument kinda reminds me of what a real "ricer" is. Though the original term came from describing Japanese motorcycles, the term is used as derogatroy towards Japanese cars nowadays.

Its so vauge in description, since theres so many different variations.

Like those Crossover SUV/SAV/whatevers. Not quite this, but not quite that. Though Crossovers, I think, is in its own class.

Oh, and where would an M5 fit? mmmmm I love that M5 goodness.

OH! and since M6's were derived from a covertable, with a carbon fiber non-removeable top... sports, or not?


A lot of people bring up good points, but theres so many other things that'll contradict (or so it seems) everyones reasoning. A vauge description would fit for a vauge class. Sports = something sporty. or potentially sporty.

All I'm saying is the original definition was a rwd 2seater vert,it has been changed overtime by popular demand I guess lol. There is a lot of well performing cars that don't fit the definition of a true sportscar. And yes you are correct,their was no vert z06 and therefor technically not a true sportscar,funny but thats how it is. You can see how it got minipulated over time though with the availability of the same cars with hardtops etc.

[Motorhead6T5]

Another thing,I'm being generous by even calling a TC a sports couple lol. Its really not fast at all,its more just a coupe. Sure you can make anything fast. But by your thinking,my yaris would be considered a sports car and its far from it lol. My 1 ton long bed truck went 15.6 @ 91,so I wouldn't consider a TC to even be a reletivly fast car for its era.

[cali yaris]

the official definition is RWD,2 seat,convertable

I asked you, with all due respect, to name your official source for that definition. I want to see it, maybe you can end the argument with a WIN!

Meanwhile, there are literally hundreds of articles like the following, all in agreement that the definition is not as narrow as you claim.

Here's a good example:
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/2-11-2006-88657.asp

ROCKLAND, I getcha -- you did say "fuck a scion owner", which I reacted to, maybe you meant just that one and weren't generalizing.

[Motorhead6T5]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

I asked you, with all due respect, to name your official source for that definition. I want to see it, maybe you can end the argument with a WIN!

Meanwhile, there are literally hundreds of articles like the following, all in agreement that the definition is not as narrow as you claim.

Here's a good example:
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/2-11-2006-88657.asp

ROCKLAND, I getcha -- you did say "fuck a scion owner", which I reacted to, maybe you meant just that one and weren't generalizing.

My official source is myself. I've been around the block to know the answer to this one,I worked on a race team that was onsight to a race track. But what do I know,its only my trained profession.

[cali yaris]

I bet you call the president and ask him the official definition of a sports car he would tell you

OK, just for fun (and this should be fun, even if we're arguing)...

I emailed Jim Julow, the president of SCCA. Let's see what he says!

[Motorhead6T5]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

OK, just for fun (and this should be fun, even if we're arguing)...

I emailed Jim Julow, the president of SCCA. Let's see what he says!

Awesome!

[Motorhead6T5]

"A car may be a sporting automobile without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular, production cars, such as sport compacts, sports sedans, muscle cars, hot hatches and the like, generally are not sports cars, yet share traits common to sports cars."

Same article