For the price of a Prius...

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by mazilla

Wow, you "could" own one if you wanted...you must be hella rich.

On the topic of "cool factor" I'm constantly getting compliments from the general public(often drivers of other modified vehicles) which is something one in 10,000 Prius owners might get...the Yaris is definitely "cooler" than the Prius, no question about it.

The only feminine shitbox around here comes from KY. :biggrinjester:

So your opinion is fact, huh?

Yes...I could easily be driving a Pruis. I hardly think driving a $26K car means one is "hella rich".

And you do understand that I own a Yaris, right? The "feminine shitbox" is not my description of the Yaris, but rather other people's perception of it. Clearly that went over your head.

Interesting that this has been a "beat up the Pruis" thread and somehow that's ok. But if someone says or even implies that the Yaris is not God's gift to the automotive world pantys get wadded up.

Though you brought Kentucky into the mix I'll refrain from dragging California into this....though the temptation is quite strong.

[mazilla]

Originally Posted by Billiam

So your opinion is fact, huh?

Yes...I could easily be driving a Pruis. I hardly think driving a $26K car means one is "hella rich".

Sarcasm

And you do understand that I own a Yaris, right? The "feminine shitbox" is not my description of the Yaris, but rather other people's perception of it. Clearly that went over your head.

Obviously


Interesting that this has been a "beat up the Pruis" thread and somehow that's ok. But if someone says or even implies that the Yaris is not God's gift to the automotive world pantys get wadded up.

Though you brought Kentucky into the mix I'll refrain from dragging California into this....though the temptation is quite strong.

That'd be too easy!

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by mazilla

That'd be too easy!

Indeed.

[tooter]

Originally Posted by Billiam

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental.

Judgements aren't only negative rejections.
Acceptance and approval are also judgements.

...because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I'm actually proud of that cheap econo-car perception.

Because I live within my means I was able to save up enough money to buy a brand new one without being a slave to a car loan.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world.

I agree... but for me, cool is not as important as cheap reliable transportation.

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive.

It's the same here, Bill...
Where I live, it's 84% Democrat... and here, the Prius is the feminine political symbol of liberalism.

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by tooter

I'm actually proud of that cheap econo-car perception.

Because I live within my means I was able to save up enough money to buy a brand new one without being a slave to a car loan.

I can completely respect that.

I have no issues with the Yaris, as I own one. In fact, I own 2...a liftback and a sedan. So clearly being at least a bit frugal is important to me. And what others think of me because I drive a Yaris is obviously not important to me either. I just find it rather entertaining to listen to others bash the Prius as if the rest of the world somehow "looks up to the Yaris".

That said...this "rolling vagina" will probably be the next family Buggy for my bunch.

[teddy]

Wow I'm surprised at the amount of hate for the Prius. It's not even in the same class as the Yaris, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

sub-compact=Prius c/Yaris
compact=Corolla/Matrix (for the sake of including the class in between)
mid-size=Prius/Camry/Prius v

The Yaris is a cheap econobox (which I happily own and would happily buy another). The Prius, across the line is a much more refined vehicle, IMO. For someone that does significant city driving and little highway driving it'd be easy to pick the Prius c over the Yaris both because of fuel savings and refinement.

The Prius across the line is a quieter, roomier car which is better on gas to boot. The Prius v just improves on all of that, this will be a strong contender for my next vehicle hands down.

Not everyone drives for the "driving experience" either. The HSD simply cannot have a manual transmission due to the nature of the drive, whereas the Honda hybrid system (like the CR-Z) can because the gasoline engine is always engaged in movement. Heck the Prius isn't even really a CVT, though it is classed as an e-CVT when required.

I love my Yaris, but I also love the Prius. If the Prius c were around when we got ours it would have been a tougher decision. Having a family now I can see us in something bigger, the Prius being a strong contender.

[Volcano]

Hate is - maybe - a bit of a strong term............ I certainly do dislike most of the prius owners. Attitude I guess.

Apart from that, I do not see in which area the prius really is the superior car. Its bigger, sure thing. The interior quality is certainly at a similar level, just had a chance to compare today. Anyway I am adding a review of the Auris Hybrid, built in the UK btw. :-) certainly not avail in the U.S or Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hm9JFtj2ac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25V3m...eature=related

[12 yaris]

Thats it! Tomorrow I'm tradin' the Yaris for a Prius.

[Volcano]

Originally Posted by Billiam

it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-:

Well, that's excatly what it is. And this perfectly suites me.

When I wrecked my Pickup Truck I went for what I need vs. what I want. (Another Pickup.) As simple.

Funny enough, my dealer told me that a guy my age should certainly drive a prius at least.

[Slasher]

I have to laff!!!

Yeah I coulda bought a lot more car too... But as a commuter car (100 miles a workday) The Prius C didn't make sense.... and yes Prius has a lot more features... Yes it gets better mileage... I even test drove the C model... but the two cars are night and day...

But as my other 2 vehicles are a 4x4 Crewmax Tundra (TOWS 10,500 lbs) and a Harley, I must say that the Prius actually does have a stigma that doesn't really suit me... Don't believe me....

click here
http://youtu.be/qP-tyvBGla4

or a better reason I don't want to be seen driving a Prius, Click here
http://youtu.be/1ZWtmuwNgcg

Sorry... Just public perceptions...

[12 yaris]

Boy,for the money I saved buying the '12 Yaris,I could buy another Yaris....
Maybe I"ll just invest the savings,and double my money.....

[Slasher]

Originally Posted by 12 yaris

Maybe I"ll just invest the savings,and double my money.....

Well when investing, use the rule of 72!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_72

Gee at many of these rates it'll take a long time to double your money...

Go to vegas and put it on Red!!!

[why?]

Originally Posted by Billiam

It's the same way with Yaris owners around here. Things are said that make one feel better about what they bought. You'll find that on any auto forum.

Sort of what I meant. I do agree there is nothing wrong with it. It does seem though some have a preoccupation with the Yaris.

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

LOL! I don't like the Prius either. It is too big and (given its cost) should be a more inspiring drive in many ways, one being IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION (I know...the CVT = best MPG for most people and supposedly compliments this incantation of the engine best). Even given all of this, THE WORST THING ABOUT THE PRIUS IN MY MIND IS THE FEELING I GET WHILE SITTING IN ONE. Car and Driver referred to the first US produced VW Rabbits as 'THE MALIBUIZATION OF VOLKSWAGEN'. They weren't referring to Malibu, California directly, they were referring to what had happened to the Chevrolet Malibu.....how it has become generic, numbing, stark, and devoid of sufficient design personality, respect, common sense, etc........not being a driver's car. However possibly illogical, this is what I think of when sitting in a Prius. I also feel that coming out with a PRIUS 'WAGON' shows that people who feel as I do aren't targets for these cars.

I disagree. The Malibu was a totally ugly and indistinguishable car. The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd. And the Prius is not aimed at people who like to drive, it is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage, and unfortunately has been adopted by the eco crowd.

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Perhaps most of the Prius owners in PA are women (or emasculated men?), but this isn't really the vibe in the SF Bay Area...where many people feel as though people (female and many male buyers) are making an intentionally politically correct statement (and an intentionally smug one) buy buying a Prius...and many buyers (one can tell by querying them) know next to nothing about the car.

Probably true. Most people I've talked to buy it for the political statement, or for the unfortunate and incorrect hatred of the oil companies.

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Why? I usually agree with you,

Ok, give me a minute to get over the shock of that. Oh wait, you live in Texas. I so need to move there. Seems like a really good place to be.

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

but not on this one. On this forum alone, think of how many people list 3 or more cars they own. While they might have large families and need those cars and can only afford a Yaris or similar the choices they have made for the other cars they list, I think, tend to discount that possibility. All of the members of my extended family can easily afford a Prius, yet a vast majority of us choose to spend less than the cost of a Prius when purchasing a car.....and I know people outside our family with a greater degree of wealth who go to far greater extremes when it comes to frugality re their cars......I know....I know.....anecdotal evidence. I do, however, agree with you that very few, if any, Prius owners visit Yarisworld.

I'm not sure where you are coming from. I do think people think their choice is the correct one for them, but I do not think it has anything to do with what one could afford.

The Prius is sort of the punching bag for Yaris owners, and it has been so from the beginning. And the math easily shows why. If you go on the math alone, the Yaris is a much better value.

Yet the math does not tell the entire story. The Yaris is extremely spartan, and while that works for some, it does not work for a lot of others. For many people a car without the usual luxuries is not a car they will ever own. I can understand that perspective. There is something to be said for buying a car from the factory with everything you could want. Heated seats, nav, leather interior, full moon roof, etc. Some people want a car to have it all. You can't get that type of stuff in a Yaris.

It seems some people on yw don't like that perspective, which of course, is their choice.

Originally Posted by Billiam

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental. I'd gladly own a Prius or Prius V (and certainly could) and I'm neither snobby and most certainly not emasculated.....and not even a tree-hugger for that matter.

Since some of you seems quite worried about people's perception of you if you drove a Prius, you do understand that you drive a Yaris, right? Many of the "non manly" adjectives that you've used to describe Prius owners can be used to describe Yaris owners too. But you'd have to add "cheap" and/or non-affluent as well....because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world.

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive.

So true, with the exception that getting 40mpg is becoming cool to many people. And a drive in a Yaris and most people realize it is fun to drive, and nothing like what the auto journalists seem to think it is.

Personally I'd go with a Highlander Hybrid, because even the Prius V seems a tad on the small side. Of course I have no reason for either vehicle right now.

Originally Posted by teddy

Wow I'm surprised at the amount of hate for the Prius. It's not even in the same class as the Yaris, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

sub-compact=Prius c/Yaris
compact=Corolla/Matrix (for the sake of including the class in between)
mid-size=Prius/Camry/Prius v

The Yaris is a cheap econobox (which I happily own and would happily buy another). The Prius, across the line is a much more refined vehicle, IMO. For someone that does significant city driving and little highway driving it'd be easy to pick the Prius c over the Yaris both because of fuel savings and refinement.

The Prius across the line is a quieter, roomier car which is better on gas to boot. The Prius v just improves on all of that, this will be a strong contender for my next vehicle hands down.

Not everyone drives for the "driving experience" either. The HSD simply cannot have a manual transmission due to the nature of the drive, whereas the Honda hybrid system (like the CR-Z) can because the gasoline engine is always engaged in movement. Heck the Prius isn't even really a CVT, though it is classed as an e-CVT when required.

I love my Yaris, but I also love the Prius. If the Prius c were around when we got ours it would have been a tougher decision. Having a family now I can see us in something bigger, the Prius being a strong contender.

well said. Although Honda's system is sort of the exact opposite of Toyota's.

[Billiam]

Originally Posted by why?

Sort of what I meant. I do agree there is nothing wrong with it. It does seem though some have a preoccupation with the Yaris.



I disagree. The Malibu was a totally ugly and indistinguishable car. The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd. And the Prius is not aimed at people who like to drive, it is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage, and unfortunately has been adopted by the eco crowd.


Probably true. Most people I've talked to buy it for the political statement, or for the unfortunate and incorrect hatred of the oil companies.

Ok, give me a minute to get over the shock of that. Oh wait, you live in Texas. I so need to move there. Seems like a really good place to be.

I'm not sure where you are coming from. I do think people think their choice is the correct one for them, but I do not think it has anything to do with what one could afford.

The Prius is sort of the punching bag for Yaris owners, and it has been so from the beginning. And the math easily shows why. If you go on the math alone, the Yaris is a much better value.

Yet the math does not tell the entire story. The Yaris is extremely spartan, and while that works for some, it does not work for a lot of others. For many people a car without the usual luxuries is not a car they will ever own. I can understand that perspective. There is something to be said for buying a car from the factory with everything you could want. Heated seats, nav, leather interior, full moon roof, etc. Some people want a car to have it all. You can't get that type of stuff in a Yaris.

It seems some people on yw don't like that perspective, which of course, is their choice.




So true, with the exception that getting 40mpg is becoming cool to many people. And a drive in a Yaris and most people realize it is fun to drive, and nothing like what the auto journalists seem to think it is.

Personally I'd go with a Highlander Hybrid, because even the Prius V seems a tad on the small side. Of course I have no reason for either vehicle right now.



well said. Although Honda's system is sort of the exact opposite of Toyota's.

Well spoken.

[tooter]

Originally Posted by why?

The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd.

Where I live... Prius is the crowd.

[mazilla]

Originally Posted by tooter

Where I live... Prius is the crowd.

Down here too, on any given day the freeway is full of 60 mph A-holes making the freeway into an obstacle course if you have to get somewhere expediently.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Billiam

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental. I'd gladly own a Prius or Prius V (and certainly could) and I'm neither snobby and most certainly not emasculated.....and not even a tree-hugger for that matter.

Since some of you seems quite worried about people's perception of you if you drove a Prius, you do understand that you drive a Yaris, right? Many of the "non manly" adjectives that you've used to describe Prius owners can be used to describe Yaris owners too. But you'd have to add "cheap" and/or non-affluent as well....because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world.

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive.

You are missing the point. We don't live under rocks. We are aware of the view many have of Yari. If we cared about what others (except, in some cases, other Yaris owners) thought, we would probably drive something else. I think most of us drive them because they satisfy a majority (and to some close to all) of what we consider important re a car. I agree that the OVERALL majority of Yaris drivers are women, but I'll bet if Toyota did a survey re the Male to Female ratio of MANUAL TRANSMISSION Yaris drivers the results would probably be 10 Male to every 1 Female. I love the time I've spent in Kentucky, but I doubt many people there make car buying decisions, either consciously or unconsciously, based on political correctness. Try living in the SF Bay Area or in DC. People do. Obviously not all Prius owners deserve to be garnered with the adjectives you quoted, but enough do. I think many of us also poke fun at the Prius I - V because we don't see the point for most people who buy them if you do the calculations. The only justification I can see (USING LOGIC) is if your need can't be accommodated by a Yaris (e.g. four adults so large that a Yaris would be cramped) AND I VERY RARELY SEE MORE THAN 1 OR 2 PEOPLE RIDING IN A PRIUS (just one of the reasons I find them to be silly). I don't feel the environmental argument holds water either because you could donate the cost difference between the Prius and the Yaris to a charity that is making an extreme positive environmental impact per dollar donated. The overall impact of the money represented by 'Yaris + donation' is better for the environment than the impact of the Prius. In addition, issues re the impact of the Prius battery are still heavily debated. Some might say the Prius has more creature comforts/is more comfortable. I feel the only subset within that line of thinking that is based in logic rather than feeling is if such an item or items can't be added to a Yaris AND contribute to making the driver a safer pilot on the road. The argument re if such features exist or not opens up another can of worms.

[12 yaris]

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