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Tamago · 12-15-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nsmitchell

If the TSB was followed, I would contact Toyota for a new engine, covered under "Special Warranty". If you can prove the 5W-20 "caused" the damage, you will get your new engine.

most dealers pump oil out of a common 500 gallon tank.. they use recycled oil, whatever the local petroleum supply sells..

it's crap oil..

but seriously, a 30 to 20 weight change on the high end of viscosity is NOT GOING TO SPIN A BEARING. there has to be another factor that caused the damage.

TheSilkySmooth · 12-16-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamago

most dealers pump oil out of a common 500 gallon tank.. they use recycled oil, whatever the local petroleum supply sells..

it's crap oil..

but seriously, a 30 to 20 weight change on the high end of viscosity is NOT GOING TO SPIN A BEARING. there has to be another factor that caused the damage.

Why not? This is operating end of spec, And the viscosity is much less. SAE 30 is ~ 65% more viscous than SAE 20. 5.6 vs 9.3 cSt MIN. That bearing wont run out of hydrodynamic range too long before it gets hammerd egg shape at the top center of the top bearing shell, rod big end. Then you have Clack clack clack. Easily predictable failure - ignoramus EPA pushing AUtomakers to show higher CAFE numbers, Stupid managers making stupid decisions. Lucky toyota with the 60K engine warranty. I'll trade car at dealer that ruined it. I'll run 60W race oil to get it there.

- bro

SilverGlow · 12-16-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Our Camry engine is dead now from dealer using the 5W-20 ONCE on a tsb. My Spouse did not "hear" the engine disintegrating and I didin't find out until I went for a trip to her friends house. I said to her, " ... your engine has spun a rod beaing - get it to the dealer right away!", But Now she is 4000 miles OVER the warranty and we are S>O>L and money and good car.

So all you 20-weight proponents can stick it in your ear. This engine ran good on the 5W30 oil I was putting in. Dealer wrecked it. I will Trade for Nissan Rogue or sinilar, and Silver"worm"glow can buy my spouses destroyed trade-in because the oil is perfect. Moronic Nonsense!

Papa

There are MILLIONS of Camry and other Toyota vehicles running 20 weight right now. MILLIONS. And those MILLIONS have no engine problems.

MMMMIIIIILLLLLLLLIIIIOOONNNSSSSS. All over the nation.

I would suggest an adult night school course in statistics for you. It seems you need to educate yourself.

TheSilkySmooth · 12-17-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverGlow

There are MILLIONS of Camry and other Toyota vehicles running 20 weight right now. MILLIONS. And those MILLIONS have no engine problems.

MMMMIIIIILLLLLLLLIIIIOOONNNSSSSS. All over the nation.

I would suggest an adult night school course in statistics for you. It seems you need to educate yourself.

Show me the engine failure rate statistics. You have NO information. This information doesn't
exist in the public domain. You are making up data (74% of alll statistice are made up on the spot). Plus it doesn't matter, Our engine failed. My neighbors Rav4 has a bad engine rap also. He put QS higher milage in it and it didn't quiet it.

BTW Silver, you have no credibility here amoungst educated adults.

VW/porsche/Audi I suppose are the only ones smart enough to spec the A3/B3.

signed: +/-3 sigma

mikenacarato · 12-17-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverGlow

There are MILLIONS of Camry and other Toyota vehicles running 20 weight right now. MILLIONS. And those MILLIONS have no engine problems.

MMMMIIIIILLLLLLLLIIIIOOONNNSSSSS. All over the nation.

I would suggest an adult night school course in statistics for you. It seems you need to educate yourself.

so..those are camrys....not yarii..and wheres your statistics degree?

TheSilkySmooth · 12-15-2008, 02:02 PM

Any Engine oil should run over 100C in warm climate on normal 10 mile commute to boil off H-O-H. The Coolant jacket cycles to 90C, under the piston dome and around valve pockets should be significantly hotter getting oil over the BP. I dont have sump guage installed either so I cabnnot confirm - I dont RACE the little yaris plus its Sis' car.

-the Bro

Shroomster · 12-15-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

-the Bro

Papa

Please for the love of god get separate screen names

linny · 12-16-2008, 01:06 PM

I use mobile 1 synthetic 0w20 oil in my yaris since my first oil change. I live near the coldest city in North America and my yaris seems to be quite happy with the thin oil at start up. This morning it was -32 F when I turned the key and it came right to life..
After switching to this grade oil I noticed a 3mpg increase in gas mileage.
Now, if I could only get some good heat in the cabin..

TheSilkySmooth · 12-16-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shroomster

Please for the love of god get separate screen names

Got it, schroom, the Fam is getting silly. Sis is kicked off because the site is "too technical" with not enough Trance and Disco discussions .... and .... she didn't get any marriage offers. Maybe if she would shave ANYWHERE once in a while she might have some luck

slvryaris · 12-15-2008, 07:48 PM

I am running Royal Purple 5W-30 and Wix filter in mine. Seems to be doing real well and runs alot smoother and quieter.

Chupacabra · 12-16-2008, 02:09 PM

There is no way in hell you spun a bearing due to the change from 5-30 to 5-20. Try putting some oil in the car.....

gid · 12-16-2008, 02:20 PM

geesh ... talk about being to the point ...

Chupacabra · 12-16-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gid

geesh ... talk about being to the point ...

I apologize for the acuteness of the post but let's be real. I mean, that was/ is a blatant lie. There is a much, much highter liklihood that the oil pan was dry and he spun a bearing than he did from using 20wt. I hate when people blatantly lie like that and try to whip up everybody in a frenzy.

gid · 12-16-2008, 02:56 PM

the day I see 5w-20 stamped on the oil cap of an YARIS is when I'll consider using a 20 weight . Has to be same engine as the '07 > '09s .

SilverGlow · 12-16-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gid

the day I see 5w-20 stamped on the oil cap of an YARIS is when I'll consider using a 20 weight . Has to be same engine as the '07 > '09s .

Then use 0w-30 and be happy.

gid · 12-16-2008, 03:06 PM

nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .

nsmitchell · 12-16-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gid

nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .

Ummm... 0W-30 is a replacement oil for 5W-30 and 10W-30. All are 30 weight oils.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...el_Economy.asp

http://www.synthetic-oil-tech.com/d....weight_oil.htm

1stToyota · 12-17-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gid

nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .

And iirc, not stated on the Toyota TSB either. SilverGlow likes to juggle those TSB viscosity numbers, and the Scion XD and Yaris motors to his own liking and start handing out those recommendations, even though what he says won't be found anywhere on Toyota's TSB. Bad and dangerous, and ignorant advice, if you ask me.

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12-15-2008, 02:02 PM	#6
TheSilkySmooth Drives: 08 3DR 5M Bayou Blue; 09 Fos Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 622	Any Engine oil should run over 100C in warm climate on normal 10 mile commute to boil off H-O-H. The Coolant jacket cycles to 90C, under the piston dome and around valve pockets should be significantly hotter getting oil over the BP. I dont have sump guage installed either so I cabnnot confirm - I dont RACE the little yaris plus its Sis' car. -the Bro

12-16-2008, 01:06 PM	#8
linny Drives: '08 liftback mt Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mn Posts: 39	I use mobile 1 synthetic 0w20 oil in my yaris since my first oil change. I live near the coldest city in North America and my yaris seems to be quite happy with the thin oil at start up. This morning it was -32 F when I turned the key and it came right to life.. After switching to this grade oil I noticed a 3mpg increase in gas mileage. Now, if I could only get some good heat in the cabin..

12-15-2008, 07:48 PM	#10
slvryaris View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan S Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 885	I am running Royal Purple 5W-30 and Wix filter in mine. Seems to be doing real well and runs alot smoother and quieter.

12-16-2008, 02:09 PM	#11
Chupacabra Banned Drives: 2009 Yaris liftback Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: CT Posts: 350	There is no way in hell you spun a bearing due to the change from 5-30 to 5-20. Try putting some oil in the car.....

12-16-2008, 02:20 PM	#12
gid Drives: '08 Yaris sedan , '08 Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northeast Posts: 643	geesh ... talk about being to the point ...

12-16-2008, 02:56 PM	#14
gid Drives: '08 Yaris sedan , '08 Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northeast Posts: 643	the day I see 5w-20 stamped on the oil cap of an YARIS is when I'll consider using a 20 weight . Has to be same engine as the '07 > '09s .

12-16-2008, 03:06 PM	#16
gid Drives: '08 Yaris sedan , '08 Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northeast Posts: 643	nope , no 0w-30 , not stated in the owners manual . Stick with 5w-30 until further notice .