3/gallon gas comming soon

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by darthbauer

I don't drive a gas guzzler and I already think that the gas guzzler tax is to high. A friend of mine has an 08 GT500 and to renew his registration was over 1600 bucks. I'm sorry but that is a bit of a joke.

if he can not afford the $1600, he should have not bought the car. That is why our housing market is shit, people can't afford what they own.

If people lived with in their means it would not be a problem.

We do not buy anything we could not pay cash for, with the exception of our house. But we chose a house where our payment is half of what we were approved for and over pay on our mortgage payments.

[darthbauer]

He could afford it but he said it wasn't worth it and drained all the fluids out of it and put it in storage.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

Kinda like what they did with tobacco products, it will price people out of cars that consume a lot of petrol.

I've not noticed any sort of spread out taxation driving many people from their nicotine addiction. Although they do tend to waste more of the time of the people in line behind them, debating whether to go with a generic brand or not. But the addicts just pay the extra taxes.

Ostracization seems to have had limited effect effect, as well. They happily stand out in the 20 degree cold, moaning with their fellows about how *cold* it is outside, railing at the unfairness of it all... while puffing away on their nicotine sticks with a sense of happy camaraderie.

The approach we have taken to nicotine addiction has not really worked. And I don't see it having much greater effect upon people's petroleum addictions.

-Steve

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

If people lived with in their means it would not be a problem.

So as long as you can afford to buy and waste limited resources, spewing the waste gases out into the atmosphere we all depend upon, then it's OK. As long as you have the money to do it, that is? As long as you are living "within your means".

Just wondering.

-Steve

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

I've not noticed any sort of spread out taxing driving many people from their nicotine addiction. Although they do tend to waste more of the time of the people in line behind them, debating whether to go with a generic brand or not. But the addicts just pay the extra taxes.

Ostracization seems to have had limited effect effect, as well. They happily stand out in the 20 degree cold, moaning with their fellows about how *cold* it is outside, railing at the unfairness of it all... while puffing away on their nicotine sticks with a sense of happy camaraderie.

The approach we have taken to nicotine addiction has not really worked. And I don't see it having much greater effect upon people's petroleum addictions.

-Steve

when I started smoking cigarettes when I was 14 they were $1.75 a pack, when I quit 5 years ago they had gone up to $4 something a pack. This has priced a lot of people out of smoking, and some just do not want to pay. Same thing applies to petrol and cars, if you are addicted to your vise you will find a way to pay for it. If you can afford it, it's not a big deal what things cost.

Live with in your means..... problem solved

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by darthbauer

He could afford it but he said it wasn't worth it and drained all the fluids out of it and put it in storage.

that is his fault for buying, if he really could afford it he would just pay it

Originally Posted by sbergman27

So as long as you can afford to buy and waste limited resources, spewing the waste gases out into the atmosphere we all depend upon, then it's OK. As long as you have the money to do it, that is? As long as you are living "within your means".

Just wondering.

-Steve

I some what agree, there are going to be a lot less people that can actually afford it. It is going to price out a lot of people and force them the conserve. Vehicles that consume a large amount of gas are a luxury.

the people that will not be able to afford it are going to out weigh those who can, because this is America.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

I some what agree, there are going to be a lot less people that can actually afford it. It is going to price out a lot of people and force them the conserve. Vehicles that consume a large amount of gas are a luxury.

So you have no ethical problem with acting unethically, as long as you can afford it?

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

So you have no ethical problem with acting unethically, as long as you can afford it?

If you know the consequences of your actions, and willing to pay for them.
Obviously this does not pertain to everything, I do not condone shooting someone in the face if you are willing to spend life in prison.
On the other hand, I parked illegally on some landscaping because I could not find a spot to park in, I was willing to pay the cost of a ticket to have lunch with my wife; I got a ticket and I had to pay for it.

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

I would be disinclined to second-guess coffiend's apraisal of his own financial situation. He made a very sensible decision in choosing a Yaris, even if a different history might have made better choices possible.

Back when gas was $4+, the news stories that I did take a perverse pleasure in seeing were those ones where the couple goes on TV, tearfully telling the channel 4 news reporter about how their dreams had been crushed. You see... they bought a Nissan Titan V8 for him, and a big Chevy Suburban for her, and then found the home of their dreams out in the country, with a 70 mile commute to work. But now that gas is so *unfairly* high, they're going to have to sell their dream home, and move back to a cramped apartment in the city. Boo hoo.

People who make stupid decisions deserve what they... well... deserve to get.

Coffiend made a wise and sensible decision based upon what was available to him. In a very real sense, he is the one who has been wronged.

As much as I love my Sprint, the major reason for my decision to downgrade (in an FE sense) to the Yaris, was safety. Bicycles, mopeds, motorcycles... and featherweight cars from the 80s... have a significant safety penalty attached.

-Steve

the major flaw in your thinking is that everybody NEEDS 4 wheels.... or wheels at all for that matter.

Hell, he could've bought an old Honda CRX or Geo Metro... both got better milage than the yaris, and can be had in good condition for under $1,000.... $12,000 in savings pays for the first 6,000 gallons of gas... but... we'll factor in a few replacement parts and call it even at 4,000 gallons of gas for free, or about the equivalent of 140,000 miles (at 35mpg).

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by talnlnky

the major flaw in your thinking is that everybody NEEDS 4 wheels.... or wheels at all for that matter.

Hell, he could've bought an old Honda CRX or Geo Metro... both got better milage than the yaris, and can be had in good condition for under $1,000.... $12,000 in savings pays for the first 6,000 gallons of gas... but... we'll factor in a few replacement parts and call it even at 4,000 gallons of gas for free, or about the equivalent of 140,000 miles (at 35mpg).

+1, he paid for the luxury of new(er) car. He knew when he bought the car that there were other options that would cost much less money with just as good MPG, his fault.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by Black Yaris

I do not condone shooting someone in the face if you are willing to spend life in prison.

I wouldn't be wasting time talking to you if I thought you would condone that. Nor do I object, particularly, to your spitting on the sidewalk on your way to having lunch with your wife.

Your response neglected to address the heart of the topic.

-Steve

[enviri]

3.01 here in southern ct.

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

I wouldn't be wasting time talking to you if I thought you would condone that. Nor do I object, particularly, to your spitting on the sidewalk on your way to having lunch with your wife.

Your response neglected to address the heart of the topic.

-Steve

the point is, those who can afford to buy a luxury should be able to. If one does not make enough, they should use luxury items in moderation, within their means.
I consider gas guzzlers as a luxury, as is a brand new economy car and 20 inch wheels.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by talnlnky

the major flaw in your thinking is that everybody NEEDS 4 wheels.... or wheels at all for that matter.

That depends, greatly, upon where you live. My home address is here in Oklahoma City. I've never once been able to get through to the number where you can request bus schedules. But I think they show up every 2 to 3 hours along the major thoroughfare in front of where I live. Thing are so spread out that bicycling is a nonstarter. Back when gas was $4, and during the summer, I saw a number of moped and motorbike riders. But I think they're all dead now.

Hell, he could've bought an old Honda CRX or Geo Metro... both got better milage than the yaris, and can be had in good condition for...

Really, talnlnky. Get over yourself. As much as I love both of those series' of cars, there is substantial risk in buying one today. Buy a Metro that ends up needing an engine overhaul and you are out $2400. (I know. I just paid it.)

Coffiend expressed a reasonable concern to my call for $5 gasoline. I responded. And he was very reasonable in his response. I do not doubt his logic or motives.

I still call for $5 gasoline. But consider coffiend to be one of the folks that I worry about should my wish come to be. Providing, of course, that he does not end up turning into some Hummer-driving republican who thinks it's OK to spend the rest of his existence tromping on the backs of his "peers" with the force of the law behind him.

-Steve

[THEDON]

I do not post here often, and I am not surprised at such a topic such as this one here on the Yaris sight. Yet some of the conclusions that people come to here to fix the problems of "Gas Guzzlers, and "Climate Change" scare me.

First off, raising the taxes in any shape form or way, is very unhealthy for the economy. Giving the money to politicians does not solve anything, it only compounds the problem we are in today. leaving the money in the pockets of such greedy people who have no comprehension on how to fix it is a mistake. It would be much better to leave the money in the pockets of the citizen who can make the best judgement of how to handle his or her own situation.

As for those people who want to buy such autos like hummers and large trucks...i say let them. when they are broke because they cannot afford it, they have know one to blame but the person in the mirror. One of thing this country lacks is personal responsibility, that is not something the Government can give through taxation. That has to be taught buy the parent or peers.

As for Climate Change we all have our own opinions on that, With equally different solutions. I think that forcing people to change there lifestyle through government legeslation is down right anti american. I love my country because of my freedom to choose. I do not want them telling me how to live my life, even if they think i am wrong. I own a Yaris (which i love) and an old beater truck (which i equally love) and both serve there purpose.

[sbergman27]

Originally Posted by THEDON

As for those people who want to buy such autos like hummers and large trucks...i say let them. when they are broke because they cannot afford it, they have know one to blame but the person in the mirror. One of thing this country lacks is personal responsibility, that is not something the Government can give through taxation. That has to be taught buy the parent or peers.

Then again... if you are savvy enough to stomp upon and enslave your fellow man, operating within the rules of capitalism, then you can have all the Hummers you want, with no risk of going broke. Right? And using the power you have accumulated, you can make foolish decisions which make the purchase of a single Hummer by an individual pale in comparison.

Because, at that point, you are decidedly out for yourself. (Free Enterprise is God! And *I* am his favorite apostle!)

If there is anywhere that your "parents and peers" have demonstrably failed it would have to be "personal responsibility" among the high fliers of Free Enterprise.

In my next installment, perhaps I should chronicle the years long history of incredibly poor and short-sighted decisions which led to the collapse of the American auto industry?

Would you like that, Mr. Free Enterprise?

You picked a bad backdrop for your Free Enterprise pitch. Because private industry fucked up royally, over a period of years, to get itself where it is today. The American public happily went along for the ride... and fully deserves to share in the consequences.

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by sbergman27

That depends, greatly, upon where you live. My home address is here in Oklahoma City. I've never once been able to get through to the number where you can request bus schedules. But I think they show up every 2 to 3 hours along the major thoroughfare in front of where I live. Thing are so spread out that bicycling is a nonstarter. Back when gas was $4, and during the summer, I saw a number of moped and motorbike riders. But I think they're all dead now.



Really, talnlnky. Get over yourself. As much as I love both of those series' of cars, there is substantial risk in buying one today. Buy a Metro that ends up needing an engine overhaul and you are out $2400. (I know. I just paid it.)

Obviously you didn't even read my post. Even if you had to "overhaul" the engine on a metro for $2400 (bet it can be done for cheaper), I know it can be in the crx... you are still about 9,000-10,000 cheaper than buying a new BASE yaris.

so, 3,000 or so gallons of gas or about 100,000miles of gas for free.

Get over myself? you got under 100 posts on this site dude... and I swear i've seen your post count about double in the past 30 hours. And this isn't the only thread you've been very vocal in (read: argumentative) Who's the one throwing around ego?

the yaris is a cool car, its arguable one of the cheapest new cars to own.... but, there are cheaper alternatives EVERYWHERE IN THE USA than a New Yaris... Take a new or used Scooter for instance... He could trade in his yaris and get two or three scooters for free... get 60 + mpg, and save a lot on maintenance. Half as many tires, much less oil...etc etc.

[Hershey]

the high heating and gas prices are part of reason why we're in this pickle . This is a double whammy when prices soar again . People need to wise up and think about more fuel efficient vehicles . Plus need to change their driving habits and think of others and their selves / families future . What we do impacts all here and abroad . Here's an example : http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...tag=mncol;lst2 . We use 6 times more oil than CHINA with a smaller population . Thus we're driving ourselves off a economic cliff . We are a spoiled civilization . Don't forget we have AMERICAN and foreign soldiers fighting for our / their preservation .