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47_MasoN_47 · 08-07-2013, 12:28 PM

That cold mode does a lot of weird things to the motor. I made a video a while back about how my boost behaves differently when the engine is cold.

Viperoni · 08-09-2013, 10:03 PM

It's blue on my Canadian Echo, takes a minute or two to turn off in the summer time. Never saw it turn red, even at lower speed road courses.

tooter · 08-12-2013, 01:27 AM

Hey Will,

Has anything changed with the stock temprature thermostat?

Greg

3cyltrbo · 08-12-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tooter

Hey Will,

Has anything changed with the stock temprature thermostat?

Greg

Haven't swapped it yet.

Just picked up extra coolant on Friday night (some is always lost when changing a T Stat) and then was busy with other crap all weekend.

I'm booked the next few nights after work, so the first free opportunity is probably Friday night (to swap back to stock T Stat and then after that maybe also try the stock TB)

W

cali yaris · 08-12-2013, 03:50 PM

At 175, I can't imagine it's in cold start mode. Is the OP losing power at that full temp reading?

CTScott · 08-12-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

At 175, I can't imagine it's in cold start mode. Is the OP losing power at that full temp reading?

175 is over the cold start mode, but he said cruising that he was seeing 140 to 175. If in motion it stays down to the 140 mode, it will run more like the cold mode.

3cyltrbo · 08-13-2013, 04:16 PM

If I have the time tonight I'll take it out for a drive and try to get some #'s

At this point its looking like the soonest I can swap the T-Stat is Friday night or Saturday afternoon.

Will

cali yaris · 08-13-2013, 04:27 PM

It's ok. We'll wait. We gave Astroman over eight months. You're good.

Golddeenoh · 08-13-2013, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali yaris

It's ok. We'll wait. We gave Astroman over eight months. You're good.

awe, why you got to bring that up

3cyltrbo · 08-14-2013, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali yaris

It's ok. We'll wait. We gave Astroman over eight months. You're good.

LOLZ

3cyltrbo · 08-14-2013, 12:34 PM

here is my datalogging?

outside air temperature was freakishly cold outside for this time of year
(15deg c / 59deg F) (during this trip the coolant temp never went above 63, but like I said it was freakishly cold for an Ottawa Summer day)

Driving water temp ( 61 deg c / 142 deg F) (85km/h - 53mph) (flat land / zero wind)

Intake air temp(while moving) ( 21 deg c / 69 deg F)
Intake air temp (stopped in traffic) (26 deg c / 79 deg F)

Driving pic (it was freakishly cold out)

In Light traffic (stopped for 1 minute, every 2 or 3 minutes)

BEEF · 08-14-2013, 12:51 PM

I think my "cold" coolant light goes off at 135°F so you aren't running much warmer than that.

I always thought that a performance T-stat was hotter (not colder). I know back in my dodge truck days, guys would put a 195°F T-stat in place of the 180. I honestly don't think it does much.

cali yaris · 08-14-2013, 01:08 PM

^ Maybe, but if he eliminates that as a cause by swapping back to stock, we can move on to the next possibility. Or, that IS the problem.

CTScott · 08-14-2013, 01:16 PM

I would say that IS likely the problem. 142 F is still well within the pre-warmed-up temperature range.

It was 55F here this morning when I drove my kids less than 2 miles to the camp bus and by the end of mile 1 (mostly downhill) I was at 181F.

3cyltrbo · 08-14-2013, 01:39 PM

Next step = remove the colder thermostat - take some driving impressions and datalog the info.

It won't be 8 months (or never) ala "something big is coming", but it will have to wait till Friday night or the weekend because I'm busy tonight and tomorrow night.

Then, after the thermostat, if there isn't an improvement - the next thing will be to remove the Corolla TB (swap back to Stock tb on the Tooter) / then I guess the next thing after that will be the Factory Manifold etc...etc......

Only good thing about this process is that now I've done each part so recently that they stick in memory and therefore are pretty quick and easy to swap.

tooter · 08-14-2013, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTScott

I would say that IS likely the problem. 142 F is still well within the pre-warmed-up temperature range.

It was 55F here this morning when I drove my kids less than 2 miles to the camp bus and by the end of mile 1 (mostly downhill) I was at 181F.

That's the prime directive for modern vehicle engines. Super quick warm up to operating temperature so as to meet government mandated emissions requirements. In warm California, my green light goes out before I get to the end of the driveway.

BEEF · 08-14-2013, 04:39 PM

Sorry, I meant that increasing the temp probably doesn't help power. I actually agree that his car may be in a limp mode state given that he is probably running open loop and thus on a predetermined fuel map (really rich).

I am curious to see if changing the T-stat back fixes it.

3cyltrbo · 08-15-2013, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEEF

Sorry, I meant that increasing the temp probably doesn't help power. I actually agree that his car may be in a limp mode state given that he is probably running open loop and thus on a predetermined fuel map (really rich).

I am curious to see if changing the T-stat back fixes it.

Curiously on the drive home last night it was much warmer outside, and the car was running "normal"(ish) temps in the 170-180 range at times and yet it was driving the exact same.

Looks like I'm taking the day off work tomorrow to stay home and try to get to the bottom of this

Will

08-07-2013, 12:28 PM	#1
47_MasoN_47 What I thought I'd do was View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northwest Alabama Posts: 1,140	That cold mode does a lot of weird things to the motor. I made a video a while back about how my boost behaves differently when the engine is cold. __________________ My Nissan Hardbody (D21) 4x4 build log Check out my YouTube channel (mostly shooting) - http://www.youtube.com/user/47MasoN47

08-09-2013, 10:03 PM	#2
Viperoni Drives: 2005 Toyota Echo Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Brampton, ON Posts: 505	It's blue on my Canadian Echo, takes a minute or two to turn off in the summer time. Never saw it turn red, even at lower speed road courses. __________________ 2006 Saturn Ion Redline 2005 Toyota Echo RS 4dr hatch - Cyl #3 bad - sold 2000 Toyota Echo 2dr coupe - The track car - rusty & scrapped

08-12-2013, 03:50 PM	#5
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	At 175, I can't imagine it's in cold start mode. Is the OP losing power at that full temp reading? __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

08-13-2013, 04:27 PM	#8
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	It's ok. We'll wait. We gave Astroman over eight months. You're good. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

08-14-2013, 12:51 PM	#12
BEEF View User's Garage Drives: 2008 yaris 3d Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: north carolina Posts: 732	I think my "cold" coolant light goes off at 135°F so you aren't running much warmer than that. I always thought that a performance T-stat was hotter (not colder). I know back in my dodge truck days, guys would put a 195°F T-stat in place of the 180. I honestly don't think it does much. __________________ Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi-

08-12-2013, 01:27 AM	#3
tooter play every day Drives: 2012 Yaris L 2dr 5sp Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,962	Hey Will, Has anything changed with the stock temprature thermostat? Greg

08-13-2013, 04:16 PM	#7
3cyltrbo Drives: MR2 Spyd/Type R/Yaris/Civic Si Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 479	If I have the time tonight I'll take it out for a drive and try to get some #'s At this point its looking like the soonest I can swap the T-Stat is Friday night or Saturday afternoon. Will

08-14-2013, 12:34 PM	#11
3cyltrbo Drives: MR2 Spyd/Type R/Yaris/Civic Si Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 479	here is my datalogging? outside air temperature was freakishly cold outside for this time of year (15deg c / 59deg F) (during this trip the coolant temp never went above 63, but like I said it was freakishly cold for an Ottawa Summer day) Driving water temp ( 61 deg c / 142 deg F) (85km/h - 53mph) (flat land / zero wind) Intake air temp(while moving) ( 21 deg c / 69 deg F) Intake air temp (stopped in traffic) (26 deg c / 79 deg F) Driving pic (it was freakishly cold out) In Light traffic (stopped for 1 minute, every 2 or 3 minutes)

08-14-2013, 01:08 PM	#13
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	^ Maybe, but if he eliminates that as a cause by swapping back to stock, we can move on to the next possibility. Or, that IS the problem. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

08-14-2013, 01:16 PM	#14
CTScott ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 09 5dr LB, 2x 08 3dr LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA, CT Posts: 13,460	I would say that IS likely the problem. 142 F is still well within the pre-warmed-up temperature range. It was 55F here this morning when I drove my kids less than 2 miles to the camp bus and by the end of mile 1 (mostly downhill) I was at 181F. __________________

08-14-2013, 01:39 PM	#15
3cyltrbo Drives: MR2 Spyd/Type R/Yaris/Civic Si Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 479	Next step = remove the colder thermostat - take some driving impressions and datalog the info. It won't be 8 months (or never) ala "something big is coming", but it will have to wait till Friday night or the weekend because I'm busy tonight and tomorrow night. Then, after the thermostat, if there isn't an improvement - the next thing will be to remove the Corolla TB (swap back to Stock tb on the Tooter) / then I guess the next thing after that will be the Factory Manifold etc...etc...... Only good thing about this process is that now I've done each part so recently that they stick in memory and therefore are pretty quick and easy to swap.

08-14-2013, 04:39 PM	#17
BEEF View User's Garage Drives: 2008 yaris 3d Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: north carolina Posts: 732	Sorry, I meant that increasing the temp probably doesn't help power. I actually agree that his car may be in a limp mode state given that he is probably running open loop and thus on a predetermined fuel map (really rich). I am curious to see if changing the T-stat back fixes it. __________________ Be the change you wish to see in the world -Mahatma Gandhi-

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