Shifting without the clutch

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Altitude

Hey, I have a question about oil...

You can take whatever you want, even old vegetable fat is fine because i know someone who read in the internet about a guy who made 500.000 mls with his lawn mower only on vegetable fat.

Attention: Irony!

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by Altitude

Hey, I have a question about oil...

Me too. Is synthetic better than regular dyno oil? Tamago, can you chime in?

[AND189]

well this thread is about Shifting without the clutch not oil

[bronsin]

...so who won...the clutchers or the anti clutchers?

[sickpuppy1]

Aamco transmission wins,lol

[Astroman]

I tried it too and it worked. Wait, I have an auto

[CtrlAltDefeat]

Originally Posted by Astroman

I tried it too and it worked. Wait, I have an auto

lol yea but manuals rule

[ddongbap]

FYI, shifting w/o the clutch pedal is going to ruin your exhaust hanger fluid.

[mario98c]

I tried in my sedan and it works!

[SAV912]

The argument was never whether or not it works. We knew it worked.

It's a matter of it being worth destroying your synchros. To me, it isn't.

-SAV

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by SAV912

The argument was never whether or not it works. We knew it worked.

It's a matter of it being worth destroying your synchros. To me, it isn't.

-SAV

Can you prove its syncro destroying?

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Can you prove its syncro destroying?

Its obvious. Sooner or later you will miss the perfect shifting point. And sooner or later you will get the result.

Really, i can't believe people are testing to shift without clutch because of this thread now. Thats ridicolous and a shame. Thread should be deleted before something happens.

[sickpuppy1]

Unless its done just exactly right, your putting more wear on the synchros. Done just right(usually learned on a non-synchro tranny) its not bad. But on modern car tranny's with synchromesh you may not be 100% right and that when the excess wear comes in. The synchros are there so that you dont have to learn proper technique, and when the clutch is used, they make up the difference in tranny/motor speed under no load situation. When rev matching is done you are for all practical purposes floating the gears like a non synchro tranny. Like I said, when done exactly right,its not bad, its just learning it 100% correct that cause expensive tranny rebuild jobs. Some guys here have apparently learned it well, others will create job security for local repair shops,LOL

[bronsin]

None of the transmissions Ive shifted without using the clutch ever had a problem and some of them had 250k+ miles on them and were shifted like that several times a week. YMMV.

[ddongbap]

Nobody here can give me proof. Only speculation.

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by PK198105

ok guys last 9 posts, not really on topic so i'll soft delete them ok. now kiss and make up, oh and not really nice to be critiquing someone's language skills if their native tongue is not English.

I never said anything about his language. He said poof. I assumed he meant PROOF. So I stated I did.

Then he told me to learn German. I told him I'm not trying to speak German on a German site. I didn't mention the fact he spelled telephone wrong. I knew what he meant. POOF was funnier than telefone or w/e he used.

Why am I not nice?

[bronsin]

For those of you who want to try clutchless shifting:

Accelerate to 15-20 mpg in first. Take your foot off the gas. Wait a couple of seconds then move the shifter into second. You dont do this quickly. Slow is best although it may seem counterintuitive. Use a firm motion.

Accelerate to whatever speed you customarily use for the appropriate gear. If you think you need to do better experiment by 1) varying the speed from which you shift. 2) vary the lenth of time before shifting after letting off on the gas.

Its possible to downshift too. Again, let off on the gas, shift to neutral (should be easy to do that) then blip the throttle and make your shift. It will be more challanging than up shifting but practice a little and youll get it. Maybe take a week between attempts?

Good Luck!

[yaris2010RS]

ok, so i have been shifting without a clutch basically since i got my car. the only gear i use a cluch it from 1st to 2nd, that is a must, u mess up there too much and its gonna be a tow truck home.

like it was said above, if u do it improperly u will mess it up......if u do anything improperly (including improper shifting WITH clutch) u will mess shit up.

i personally feel its smoother without the cluch but thats how i learned how to drive stick.

watch those informational youtube videos if u dont know how to do it, he explains it really great.