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10-10-2011, 01:13 PM | #74 |
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I leaned to drive in the early 70s and few cars had a manual. It had to learn to drive a manual in the Army. Today, all the Army vehicles are automatic.
Regardless of how nostalgic you might be towards the manual transmission, its day is going to come to an end. So much so that if a dealer has one, you might wind up paying more for it than an automatic.
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10-10-2011, 01:38 PM | #75 | |
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Personally, my mind is at ease and I'm not thinking about all of the concerns and issues in life. All I'm doing is driving. I don't find working the clutch and gearbox a chore either, really I don't even think about it, I just do it. My subconscious is most likely continuously planning responses and actions to any and all scenarios that may arise. But again, all I'm able to concern myself with is the task at hand, which is very satisfying considering the unending multitasking required on a daily basisnl. We've had at least five fords that had the auto trans fall out under 100,000 miles. And this is with respectable adults driving (not being dogged out). My truck kept the original clutch until about 190,000 miles. I'm at 275,000 now. I don't think the truck would still perform the same if it was an automatic. Those who think the manual transmission is a thing of the past will meet their end before the manual trans does. Or the way manual transmissions die is when gas engines die. All you need is one gear if its electric. Last edited by NZ-FE Vios; 10-10-2011 at 06:11 PM. |
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10-10-2011, 01:39 PM | #76 |
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@daf - It's not nostalgia, just an observation that driving a stick is no longer considered a skill to learn.
I do not believe MT's will ever go away and if it ever came to be that it is more expensive to buy a car with an MT I would gladly pay it. I've never owned a car that wasn't MT and I've also never had to replace a transmission, only the clutches. How many automatic owners can say the same? |
10-10-2011, 08:25 PM | #77 | |
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Technology changes....and sometimes we don't have any choices to be made because the economics of how things are built take those decisions away. But I hope you are happy with you manual!
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10-10-2011, 08:57 PM | #78 |
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Maybe I went a little too far. Not everyone drives an auto because they are lazy but I'd say that would be a fair generalization as an American.
I've never owned a record player. But I consider that a false dichotomy. |
10-10-2011, 09:32 PM | #79 | |
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I too would pay whatever it takes to get the MT version (if available) of the car I want. |
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10-10-2011, 11:26 PM | #80 | |
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American are lazy so that isn't a reach, but ATs have been the majority of transmissions sold in the US since at least 1975.
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10-11-2011, 12:03 AM | #81 |
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When a next or back button has a clutch I'll agree.
What automotive manufacturer doesn't sell a manual ? |
10-11-2011, 12:37 AM | #82 |
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The '08 base model 3 door with the 5 speed manual we had was fun to drive . Made you think about your driving . But thanks to results like these with the '08 base model sedan w/ the 4 speed auto the manual tranny isn't missed all that much . The calculated mileage was 41.05 .
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Do you still own your old 8-track cassettes as well?!?
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10-11-2011, 08:55 PM | #84 |
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In nearly 30 years of driving, I hadn't owned a vehicle with a manual transmission. I learned to drive stick before I was old enough to drive, but never used the knowledge. A month ago I bought my first MT vehicle (a 92 Celica GT convertible). It took me a week or so to get in the groove, but I am really enjoying it. It almost makes me wish that my Yaris was MT.
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10-11-2011, 09:28 PM | #85 | |
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2) My comment about fords was relating to the statements regarding manual transmissions being phazed out. 3) I bet I'm younger than you. What's an 8-track (rhetorical, predecessor to standard tape deck)? My 94 Toyota truck runs like a top, has 275,000 miles on it. The value to sell is less than the value it is to me keeping it. It still does great in snow and mud and has a lot of utility. Gearbox is great, lowrange is great, high range is great. I'm not in a position to buy a new truck either, much less a newer Toyota 4x4. They hold their value incredibly well, especially in a manual transmission because the demand is much greater than supply in 4x4 manual Toyota trucks. Why would I not keep a vehicle that I know the history of for most of its life? |
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My Wrangler is a '97 (not too far from '94) and I'll be driving that thing 'til it won't drive anymore. And yes, it's a manual. It's got another 10, 15 maybe 20 years on it. |
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01-03-2012, 11:46 AM | #88 |
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Guess which one has the 9C1 350 with the SM420 and twin stick 3sp T-Case, Lockers, SOA, OBA, Warn 8240
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01-05-2012, 04:27 PM | #89 |
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My wife wanted a MT, but she had blown out her ACL, so I convinced her to get an AT. Her knee still bothers her sometimes, and she's glad she went with the AT. When I bought my Yaris, there were 10 of them on the lot, and only one was a MT. I went with the AT. After years of driving a MT and working 12 hour days, I just wanted to get in, put it in drive and go.
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01-08-2012, 05:12 PM | #90 |
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My local Toyota dealer hates me because they have been calling and calling, trying to get me to trade in my '09 on a Gen 3 '12+ and I told them flat out "No dice, unless you come up with a manual SE."
There isn't a single manual SE on the lot. There isn't one in the region, or at port. There isn't even one on the boats over from Japan. They are not pleased with me, but it is the one thing I will not budge on. Not because it's more efficient or because it's fewer moving parts, easier to maintain, and will last longer than it's automatic bretheren. But because it's fun. And I can not have a tiny car like a Yaris with 106 beans under the hood and have the fun zapped out because the transmission shifts when it thinks it should, not when I tell it to. I should be able to rev it and rev it and rev it until the valves come out and dance around on top of the hood, and then change gear. Not to knock those that chose the automatic. I hate myself when I go through downtown Atlanta traffic. But there's a reason her's is the automatic and mine is the manual. -C
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