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kurokoma-kun · 04-23-2009, 11:48 AM

Hmmmm thats weird, my a/f gauge shows nothing but "green" at low boost... from this I've been assuming it's seeking to maintain stoich numbers until you get to wot/open loop. Also I was under the impression that at wot an AFR of 11--which would under any other conditions be rich--is actually ok...

cali yaris · 04-23-2009, 11:54 AM

11 is fine under boost.

Quote:

The scangauge does lag ever so slightly.

More than slightly, IMO. The scangauge is really slow, OBDII is really not useful for real-time data that changes rapidly.

PETERPOOP · 04-23-2009, 01:14 PM

Well even if the scangauge is lagging to go into open loop; like cammell said, just look at your boost gauge once you are in boost. If your numbers aren't 11-12, then you are lean. So it shouldn't matter if the scanguage is lagging to go into open loop, because your wideband and boost gauge are instant.

Well I am glad to hear that camell and KK are both only getting 11-12 when in open loop. Atleast I am up to page with the "normal" blitz guys.

I gotta go driving to class in a few, so I will be collecting numbers and will post later today.

* I wish the other blitz owners were active in this thread.....

PETERPOOP · 04-23-2009, 08:35 PM

Drove around more today. Constant 11.9-12.1 AFR with 16-17 IGN timing when in open loop. Idle of 15 AFR with single digit IGN. Also in DFCO i get 15 AFR. Open loop needs to happen sooner. I don't not like seeing the 11-12 AFR until open loop. I'd like to see it sooner, especially when I engage WOT.

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 01:03 AM

My ghetto air restriction testing. Rather than change back to the old airbox, I am testing different amount of airflow by adding more tape. I collected some data on the data logger and am analyzing it tonight.

PETERPOOP · 04-24-2009, 01:33 AM

lol. ghetto R&D. nice

Nexus1155 · 04-24-2009, 05:01 AM

The even funnier thing is is that if the tape isn't super pourous it will work!! hahaha

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 10:38 AM

I haven't seen my airbox since the car was a few weeks old. Does anyone know what is the size of the air inlet to the box? Is is something easily measurable?

yaris-me · 04-24-2009, 11:09 AM

Just PMed. Had to leave the warmth of my apartment.

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 11:41 AM

Thanks for sacrificing for the team. I was just told that the opening to the stock airbox is 2" in diameter. That seems awfully small when you look at these big-ass cone low-restriction intake filters but it made me think some more.

Performance will be limited to the smallest restriction if air speed is equal. The smallest restriction is either the stock airbox inlet or the diameter of the stock throttle body.

Does anyone have the diameter of the stock throttle body opening. I'm sure if I searched, I would find it in another thread but maybe one of you have it handy.

It looks like I need alot more blue tape this afternoon. No wonder there was very little effect with the amount of tape I put on the filter.

Nexus1155 · 04-24-2009, 06:32 PM

well, yes, i mean, some have short rams, some have long tubes, some have easy breathing filters while some don't.... we're arguing semantics here... It seems im assuming the instruction for the kit did not say anything about changing the intake and thats where everyone went wrong... adding more air to it when it wasn't needed...so tape up them thur filters

cali yaris · 04-24-2009, 06:37 PM

Blitz has confirmed that they tested the kit on a stock car.

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 07:00 PM

I'm going to wrap my beautiful aFe cone shaped filter in black electrical tape and leave a two inch diameter hole? That sucks (pun intended)

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 07:02 PM

Mike, tape up your filter and see if your ignition timing climbs back up to double digits. I'm hoping to feel the additional power that the timing advance will give me.

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 08:07 PM

I forgot that you have a CAI and that the filter is stuck in the fender. Anyways, I'm off work now and will go out to the parking lot with my trusty roll of blue masking tape to do some more "tuning".

LtNoogie · 04-24-2009, 09:18 PM

The ECU is just too smart to fool. The car runs fine like this. Note that the bottom half of the filter at the tip is also taped up.

It's not going to win me points at any car show.

PETERPOOP · 04-24-2009, 10:01 PM

lol. definately no points for style. maybe someone can sell you their stock airbox that is lying around the garage or something? I'm sure there are people with them still, who don't care for them.

supmet · 04-24-2009, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

lol. definately no points for style. maybe someone can sell you their stock airbox that is lying around the garage or something? I'm sure there are people with them still, who don't care for them.

or would trade for an AFE

04-24-2009, 01:03 AM	#95
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	My ghetto air restriction testing. Rather than change back to the old airbox, I am testing different amount of airflow by adding more tape. I collected some data on the data logger and am analyzing it tonight. __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-24-2009, 10:38 AM	#98
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	I haven't seen my airbox since the car was a few weeks old. Does anyone know what is the size of the air inlet to the box? Is is something easily measurable? __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-24-2009, 11:41 AM	#100
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	Thanks for sacrificing for the team. I was just told that the opening to the stock airbox is 2" in diameter. That seems awfully small when you look at these big-ass cone low-restriction intake filters but it made me think some more. Performance will be limited to the smallest restriction if air speed is equal. The smallest restriction is either the stock airbox inlet or the diameter of the stock throttle body. Does anyone have the diameter of the stock throttle body opening. I'm sure if I searched, I would find it in another thread but maybe one of you have it handy. It looks like I need alot more blue tape this afternoon. No wonder there was very little effect with the amount of tape I put on the filter. __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-24-2009, 06:37 PM	#102
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	Blitz has confirmed that they tested the kit on a stock car. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

04-24-2009, 07:00 PM	#103
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	I'm going to wrap my beautiful aFe cone shaped filter in black electrical tape and leave a two inch diameter hole? That sucks (pun intended) __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-23-2009, 11:48 AM	#91
kurokoma-kun Drives: 2007 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: my own little world Posts: 1,256	Hmmmm thats weird, my a/f gauge shows nothing but "green" at low boost... from this I've been assuming it's seeking to maintain stoich numbers until you get to wot/open loop. Also I was under the impression that at wot an AFR of 11--which would under any other conditions be rich--is actually ok...

04-23-2009, 01:14 PM	#93
PETERPOOP View User's Garage Drives: 08 white liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,674	Well even if the scangauge is lagging to go into open loop; like cammell said, just look at your boost gauge once you are in boost. If your numbers aren't 11-12, then you are lean. So it shouldn't matter if the scanguage is lagging to go into open loop, because your wideband and boost gauge are instant. Well I am glad to hear that camell and KK are both only getting 11-12 when in open loop. Atleast I am up to page with the "normal" blitz guys. I gotta go driving to class in a few, so I will be collecting numbers and will post later today. * I wish the other blitz owners were active in this thread.....

04-23-2009, 08:35 PM	#94
PETERPOOP View User's Garage Drives: 08 white liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,674	Drove around more today. Constant 11.9-12.1 AFR with 16-17 IGN timing when in open loop. Idle of 15 AFR with single digit IGN. Also in DFCO i get 15 AFR. Open loop needs to happen sooner. I don't not like seeing the 11-12 AFR until open loop. I'd like to see it sooner, especially when I engage WOT.

04-24-2009, 01:33 AM	#96
PETERPOOP View User's Garage Drives: 08 white liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,674	lol. ghetto R&D. nice

04-24-2009, 05:01 AM	#97
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	The even funnier thing is is that if the tape isn't super pourous it will work!! hahaha

04-24-2009, 11:09 AM	#99
yaris-me Learn to Relax Drives: 2007, Meteorite, LB Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 2,070	Just PMed. Had to leave the warmth of my apartment.

04-24-2009, 06:32 PM	#101
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	well, yes, i mean, some have short rams, some have long tubes, some have easy breathing filters while some don't.... we're arguing semantics here... It seems im assuming the instruction for the kit did not say anything about changing the intake and thats where everyone went wrong... adding more air to it when it wasn't needed...so tape up them thur filters

04-24-2009, 07:02 PM	#104
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	Mike, tape up your filter and see if your ignition timing climbs back up to double digits. I'm hoping to feel the additional power that the timing advance will give me. __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-24-2009, 08:07 PM	#105
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	I forgot that you have a CAI and that the filter is stuck in the fender. Anyways, I'm off work now and will go out to the parking lot with my trusty roll of blue masking tape to do some more "tuning". __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-24-2009, 09:18 PM	#106
LtNoogie View User's Garage Drives: '08 Bayou Blue LB AT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: West Hills, CA Posts: 2,517	The ECU is just too smart to fool. The car runs fine like this. Note that the bottom half of the filter at the tip is also taped up. It's not going to win me points at any car show. __________________ aFe Intake \| Blitz Supercharger \| Megan Header \| TRD Exhaust \| NST Pulley Set TRD Shocks/Struts \| Tanabe NF210 Springs \| TRD Sway Bar \| Motegi TRAKLITE wheels \| Kuhmo Ecsta XS R1 Concepts slotted rotors \| Carbotech 1521 brake pads \| stainless steel brake lines \| Seibon vented carbon fiber hood

04-24-2009, 10:01 PM	#107
PETERPOOP View User's Garage Drives: 08 white liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,674	lol. definately no points for style. maybe someone can sell you their stock airbox that is lying around the garage or something? I'm sure there are people with them still, who don't care for them.

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