TRD sway bar for sedan - Page 6 - Toyota Yaris Forums

'LilRedYaris · 08-07-2010, 02:59 AM

Had the Ultra Racing 19mm rear sway bar installed on my sedan today. Huge, huge difference. Luckily, I got to test it fairly thoroughly today too. The Yaris is definitely tighter and surer on the road now. Steering and cornering are almost effortless. All I can say is: "Wow!". Kudos to Garm @ Micro Image for providing great products, customer service & support. Digging my YW T-shirt too.

petyanca · 09-21-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'LilRedYaris

Had the Ultra Racing 19mm rear sway bar installed on my sedan today. Huge, huge difference. Luckily, I got to test it fairly thoroughly today too. The Yaris is definitely tighter and surer on the road now. Steering and cornering are almost effortless. All I can say is: "Wow!". Kudos to Garm @ Micro Image for providing great products, customer service & support. Digging my YW T-shirt too.

How does the bar attach to the body ?

cali yaris · 08-07-2010, 03:29 AM

^ awesome, glad you like it! Definitely in my "Top 5 things they should have included on the car" list.

sickpuppy1 · 08-07-2010, 09:20 AM

The "Ultra" 19mm bar from MI, like Garm said is same as TRD but less expensive is what I put on mine. I love it, Those who say it wont make a difference obviously have not tried it. Knowing that a sway/torsion bar is going to stiffen the suspension in the corners, I went with the 19mm since its my daily driver and didnt want the ride quality to suffer. Honestly, you would have to drive thru the same corner and be keenly aware of every bump to POSSIBLY tell any difference in ride quality. But the difference in handling is very noticeable! As you enter a corner, the rear of body will take a slight lean and then just set and go! Very interesting actually as if your paying any attention, you can tell by feel and by eye when it kicks in. Crosswind stability and driving by trucks and such are also much improved.
As I said, I had worried that ride would stiffen up too much,but that was unfounded as it really hasnt changed at all. I wish now that I had gotten the 23mm as pushing it into corners is much more fun,lol. My only concern now is how much sooner I'm gonna have to replace tires from all my "playing around" LOL Any of you still on the fence about doing this can be assured it is money well spent, and Micro Image has good stuff! I'm sure the TRD is good also, but i know who I'm getting mine from.......

detroiter · 08-07-2010, 04:22 PM

I have the 23mm and I love it. You definitely have to push it hard to start seeing it's limit. It all depends on what kind of driving you want to do with your car. If you like it mild or wild, I'm sure the 19mm would do just fine for most but 23mm adds in that extra little bit just in case you need it :)

krolos · 08-08-2010, 11:10 AM

I am pretty much your average driver,maybe just a bit more on the aggressive
side, I drive some very curvy roads with some very tight curves on a regularly
basis, I find that I have to slow down alot to safely take them, it would be
nice to take them with out slowing down so much.
I like to drive these kind of roads a bit more on the aggressive side,
but not Rally style by any means.
I want to install the sway bar, what do you all think, should I get the
19mm or the 23mm? will the 23mm be to stiff for the regular type of driving?

RedRide · 08-08-2010, 02:11 PM

I have the23mm bar and I drive much like you do. IMO it is great for twisty mountain roads and makes navigating them much more enjoyable.

A 23mm bar is also good for a DD IMO as it seems to balance out the suspension from front to rear. It makes freewway type driving much more enjoyable and safer. It makes fast/emergency lane changes much more secure.

True a rear sway bar will appear to stiffen the rear suspension a bit. However, the stock rear it too soft (compared to the front) to begin with. A 23mm bar stiffens the rear suspension just the right amount amount IMO.

I would just add that it you have less that good tires, it will limit the cornering performance. I originally had the less than desireable "Goodyear LS" tires. When I installed and broke in my "Yokohama Avid TRZ" tires, I was finally able to reall enjoy the sway bar's cornering ability.

Personally, I don't feel in the least that a 23mm bar is too stiff.

'LilRedYaris · 08-08-2010, 02:36 PM

The only reason I didn't choose the 23mm was worries that it might do a little too much and make driving difficult/scary in Minnesota winters. The 19mm seems to do an excellent job for me.

RedRide · 08-08-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'LilRedYaris

The only reason I didn't choose the 23mm was worries that it might do a little too much and make driving difficult/scary in Minnesota winters. The 19mm seems to do an excellent job for me.

The 23mm bar was fine in in the last NY winter.
Anyway, either one will be much better than nothing.

detroiter · 08-09-2010, 01:21 PM

Why would the 23mm be scary in winter? You shouldnt be driving that fast through winter weather anyhow for it to make much of a difference :P

'LilRedYaris · 08-09-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by detroiter

Why would the 23mm be scary in winter? You shouldnt be driving that fast through winter weather anyhow for it to make much of a difference :P

Obviously. I just figured for me, it would be a bit extreme for daily use and wouldn't be ideal for winter or slick conditions (even going slowly). But, maybe my assumptions were wrong. I'm happy w/ the 19mm though & in the end it's what you're happy with that counts.

RedRide · 08-09-2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'LilRedYaris

Obviously. I just figured for me, it would be a bit extreme for daily use and wouldn't be ideal for winter or slick conditions (even going slowly). But, maybe my assumptions were wrong. I'm happy w/ the 19mm though & in the end it's what you're happy with that counts.

Yeah, either one is fine.
I just want to dispel the idea that the 23mm bar is somehow less than safe.

sickpuppy1 · 08-09-2010, 07:46 PM

Well, from what I've heard, with the 19, when you get to the edge of adhesion you notice it more, and the car would still have a tendency to understeer. With the 23, and keep in mind this is only "what I've read" it gets to the edge and has more of a tendancy to have the rear let loose? or oversteer. Maybe he was thinking it wa gonna do that in the snow. But seriously if you are pushing it like that in the snow, a swaybar isnt gonna cause or save your butt, your just gonna get what you deserved ya know?

detroiter · 08-10-2010, 12:20 AM

I was just razzin you lilred, no problems at all :P

I've had the 19mm Trd bar and now I have the 23mm UR one, I can say that
sick puppy does seem to have it on the money from what I've felt. The 19mm
felt a bit more forgiving, like you could sense it a bit more if it was getting
too out of hand and with the 23mm, you can push it harder but along with that
naturally, you get close to the limit without feeling it, which in turn makes the
threshold that much thinner.

'LilRedYaris · 08-10-2010, 07:05 PM

No worries. :) I can vouch that there's definitely more stability in crosswind situations with the bar. It's stormy here today and the wind was howling on my way home from school. I could tell the Yaris was getting pushed around a bit but, there's a very noticeable difference now. I don't have to keep a tight grip on the wheel & constantly battle the wind anymore. Makes for a much more relaxed driving experience. Why Toyota doesn't install the rear sway bar stock is beyond me. The car's so much more driver friendly after the install. It's a relatively cheap mod to get though anyhow.

I think it actually makes me wanna drive the Yaris more, like even when I don't need to.

cali yaris · 08-10-2010, 08:03 PM

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Why Toyota doesn't install the rear sway bar stock is beyond me.

so it can be a $13000 car, probably. Same with the center console, a tach (until last year), foglights, etc.

sickpuppy1 · 08-10-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

so it can be a $13000 car, probably. Same with the center console, a tach (until last year), foglights, etc.

Exactly right, Everything Toyota "should have" thrown in as standard drives the cars base price up.
You gotta remember what the car was designed for,versus what we do with it. I really dont think they had trying to pull .9 g's in a corner in mind when they built it (or 12.8 in the 1/4 mile, lol) I personally am happy with what they built and enjoy adding only and exactly what I want as I can afford it.

RedRide · 08-10-2010, 10:15 PM

Years ago, Ford admitted that it only cost them about $500 more to build the "Galaxy 500" over the "Pinto".

However, they charged thousands more for the "Galaxy 500.

All auto maufacturers dumb down the entry level cars so they can justfy the high price for the more expensive models.
IMO, this is exactly why they chose not to include a rear sway bar in the yaris and gave it a beam axel.

08-07-2010, 03:29 AM	#3
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	^ awesome, glad you like it! Definitely in my "Top 5 things they should have included on the car" list. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

08-07-2010, 09:20 AM	#4
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	The "Ultra" 19mm bar from MI, like Garm said is same as TRD but less expensive is what I put on mine. I love it, Those who say it wont make a difference obviously have not tried it. Knowing that a sway/torsion bar is going to stiffen the suspension in the corners, I went with the 19mm since its my daily driver and didnt want the ride quality to suffer. Honestly, you would have to drive thru the same corner and be keenly aware of every bump to *POSSIBLY* tell any difference in ride quality. But the difference in handling is very noticeable! As you enter a corner, the rear of body will take a slight lean and then just set and go! Very interesting actually as if your paying any attention, you can tell by feel and by eye when it kicks in. Crosswind stability and driving by trucks and such are also much improved. As I said, I had worried that ride would stiffen up too much,but that was unfounded as it really hasnt changed at all. I wish now that I had gotten the 23mm as pushing it into corners is much more fun,lol. My only concern now is how much sooner I'm gonna have to replace tires from all my "playing around" LOL Any of you still on the fence about doing this can be assured it is money well spent, and Micro Image has good stuff! I'm sure the TRD is good also, but i know who I'm getting mine from....... __________________

08-07-2010, 04:22 PM	#5
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	I have the 23mm and I love it. You definitely have to push it hard to start seeing it's limit. It all depends on what kind of driving you want to do with your car. If you like it mild or wild, I'm sure the 19mm would do just fine for most but 23mm adds in that extra little bit just in case you need it :) __________________ I live my life a quarter pounder at a time. And for those 500 calories or more, I'm free. I need FRIES! Two of them. The big ones. Oh, and I need them tonight. You're lucky the double shot of BBQ sauce didn't blow the seam on your nugget box. There she is, 2 pounds of pure beef. My dad ate it in 9.0 seconds flat. Check it out, it's like this. If I lose, winner takes my happy meal. But if I win, I take the burger and the toy. To some people, that's more important.

08-09-2010, 01:21 PM	#10
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	Why would the 23mm be scary in winter? You shouldnt be driving that fast through winter weather anyhow for it to make much of a difference :P __________________ I live my life a quarter pounder at a time. And for those 500 calories or more, I'm free. I need FRIES! Two of them. The big ones. Oh, and I need them tonight. You're lucky the double shot of BBQ sauce didn't blow the seam on your nugget box. There she is, 2 pounds of pure beef. My dad ate it in 9.0 seconds flat. Check it out, it's like this. If I lose, winner takes my happy meal. But if I win, I take the burger and the toy. To some people, that's more important.

08-09-2010, 07:46 PM	#13
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Well, from what I've heard, with the 19, when you get to the edge of adhesion you notice it more, and the car would still have a tendency to understeer. With the 23, and keep in mind this is only "what I've read" it gets to the edge and has more of a tendancy to have the rear let loose? or oversteer. Maybe he was thinking it wa gonna do that in the snow. But seriously if you are pushing it like that in the snow, a swaybar isnt gonna cause or save your butt, your just gonna get what you deserved ya know? __________________

08-08-2010, 11:10 AM	#6
krolos Drives: 2008 yaris sedan Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: wa state Posts: 90	I am pretty much your average driver,maybe just a bit more on the aggressive side, I drive some very curvy roads with some very tight curves on a regularly basis, I find that I have to slow down alot to safely take them, it would be nice to take them with out slowing down so much. I like to drive these kind of roads a bit more on the aggressive side, but not Rally style by any means. I want to install the sway bar, what do you all think, should I get the 19mm or the 23mm? will the 23mm be to stiff for the regular type of driving?

08-08-2010, 02:11 PM	#7
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,502	I have the23mm bar and I drive much like you do. IMO it is great for twisty mountain roads and makes navigating them much more enjoyable. A 23mm bar is also good for a DD IMO as it seems to balance out the suspension from front to rear. It makes freewway type driving much more enjoyable and safer. It makes fast/emergency lane changes much more secure. True a rear sway bar will appear to stiffen the rear suspension a bit. However, the stock rear it too soft (compared to the front) to begin with. A 23mm bar stiffens the rear suspension just the right amount amount IMO. I would just add that it you have less that good tires, it will limit the cornering performance. I originally had the less than desireable "Goodyear LS" tires. When I installed and broke in my "Yokohama Avid TRZ" tires, I was finally able to reall enjoy the sway bar's cornering ability. Personally, I don't feel in the least that a 23mm bar is too stiff.

08-08-2010, 02:36 PM	#8
'LilRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bayport, MN Posts: 37	The only reason I didn't choose the 23mm was worries that it might do a little too much and make driving difficult/scary in Minnesota winters. The 19mm seems to do an excellent job for me.

08-10-2010, 12:20 AM	#14
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	I was just razzin you lilred, no problems at all :P I've had the 19mm Trd bar and now I have the 23mm UR one, I can say that sick puppy does seem to have it on the money from what I've felt. The 19mm felt a bit more forgiving, like you could sense it a bit more if it was getting too out of hand and with the 23mm, you can push it harder but along with that naturally, you get close to the limit without feeling it, which in turn makes the threshold that much thinner. __________________ I live my life a quarter pounder at a time. And for those 500 calories or more, I'm free. I need FRIES! Two of them. The big ones. Oh, and I need them tonight. You're lucky the double shot of BBQ sauce didn't blow the seam on your nugget box. There she is, 2 pounds of pure beef. My dad ate it in 9.0 seconds flat. Check it out, it's like this. If I lose, winner takes my happy meal. But if I win, I take the burger and the toy. To some people, that's more important.

08-10-2010, 07:05 PM	#15
'LilRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bayport, MN Posts: 37	No worries. :) I can vouch that there's definitely more stability in crosswind situations with the bar. It's stormy here today and the wind was howling on my way home from school. I could tell the Yaris was getting pushed around a bit but, there's a very noticeable difference now. I don't have to keep a tight grip on the wheel & constantly battle the wind anymore. Makes for a much more relaxed driving experience. Why Toyota doesn't install the rear sway bar stock is beyond me. The car's so much more driver friendly after the install. It's a relatively cheap mod to get though anyhow. I think it actually makes me wanna drive the Yaris more, like even when I don't need to.

08-10-2010, 10:15 PM	#18
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,502	Years ago, Ford admitted that it only cost them about $500 more to build the "Galaxy 500" over the "Pinto". However, they charged thousands more for the "Galaxy 500. All auto maufacturers dumb down the entry level cars so they can justfy the high price for the more expensive models. IMO, this is exactly why they chose not to include a rear sway bar in the yaris and gave it a beam axel.

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