Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade - Page 69 - Toyota Yaris Forums

derickveliz2 · 04-21-2011, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I'll have to shoot Garm a message on the lids. I'll be dropping mine conservatively soon.

Oh...I'm picking up a silver disc K2HD 24 bit/100kHz version of, "Jazz at the Pawnshop". I'll get you a copy of it so you can reference off of...

...If you can even stand jazz...

I used to not like it!

But our head units make all kind of magic sound spectacular!

Thank you! That would be great!

D.

sqcomp · 04-21-2011, 11:56 PM

I received the album today...I'm listening to it.

What you should expect is a very comfortable five piece jazz group in a VERY small jazz club. The club was so small that the recording engineer had to put the reel to reel recorder on his lap with no console!

You should enjoy the ambiance and musicality of these recordings.

derickveliz2 · 04-24-2011, 11:35 PM

I'm overwhelmed, many angles and aiming positions with the MIDs, technical tracks sound pretty good, some songs sound great! what sounds best??? it's hard to tell.

In other hand I moved my IDQ12 back to the trunk (just for a couple of days)
I just want to put it back up-front again.

I did try the PB amp in other position and I still get the noise.

It's getting warm over here, so that's good news!

D.

sqcomp · 04-25-2011, 12:37 AM

I'm thinking it's time to send the amp back to Jim. We'll get you covered...

sqcomp · 04-25-2011, 12:49 AM

A lot of the fun starts when you work on the tune...

Remember order of operations though! Can you tell me what the proper order of tuning is?

derickveliz2 · 04-25-2011, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

A lot of the fun starts when you work on the tune...

Remember order of operations though! Can you tell me what the proper order of tuning is?

What are you talking about LOL,... Maybe I'm doing everything upside down...

Please tell me the answer(s) before I go nuts with Google!

At least I may know what I'm doing is not stupid...

D.

sqcomp · 04-25-2011, 01:24 AM

There's a certain order that creates the most success in a tune...

It' won't necessarily be on google. :)

This is where I torture you hanging the answer over your head for a little bit.

derickveliz2 · 04-25-2011, 01:29 AM

OK, lets try...

1. set x-over points and dBs
2. TA
3. EQ

Just to throw some thing...

D.

sqcomp · 04-25-2011, 03:55 PM

You're almost there!

crossover

phasing

amplitude level

time alignment

equalization

Take a little time to research the different effects that your slopes that you choose will have on phasing.

derickveliz2 · 04-25-2011, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

You're almost there!

Take a little time to research the different effects that your slopes that you choose will have on phasing.

crossover DONE,

phasing A LITTLE HARD BUT DID IT

amplitude level WHAT DOES THIS MEANS?

time alignment WORKING ON IT

equalization FUN AND WORKING ON IT

D.

sqcomp · 04-25-2011, 07:06 PM

When you put the dB level as a choice. That's amplitude in this case. You recall what your p99 crossover slopes can do...that includes adjusting the signal Voltage for each preout which is nice.

sqcomp · 04-25-2011, 08:52 PM

There is also another technique that is a bit more advanced...

I may let you in on that one in a few months. We'll see how I do in Calgary...

derickveliz2 · 04-26-2011, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

When you put the dB level as a choice. That's amplitude in this case. You recall what your p99 crossover slopes can do...that includes adjusting the signal Voltage for each preout which is nice.

Ohh! yes! I know what you are talking about, I use it to bump up/down the Sub once in a while between songs.

Talking about "Aiming" I've been going nuts with my MIDs, but when that happens I turn "OFF" Time Alingment and that reminds me why struggle so much with this,there are a couple of sweet spots but in general they sound so good (off-axis).

I'm leaning more in a position similar of your L4s, but just a tad more into the cabin 2 or 3 degrees and I would like to sink the Mids as much as possible into the a-pillars separating them apart.

What about the Tweeters?
How did you came up with your aiming? it's very agressive towards the windshiled!

D.

sqcomp · 04-26-2011, 07:02 PM

The tweeters for me are an afterthought. Most of the work of reproducing sound is done by the mids. The tweeters are there for top end "air". The aiming is a result of the same effect of the mids. It's about imaging for me. I can get the sparkle and air without the tweeters being too bright (i.e.-on axis).

...Scott also suggested I try the off axis setup...

derickveliz2 · 05-09-2011, 12:58 AM

This is what I've been waiting for...

LINK to Video I6SW!

D.

sqcomp · 05-09-2011, 02:18 AM

Do you want to make that enclosure or do you want us to? That's the hard thing for you...it's a T/L enclosure. Right now we're still playing around with how to get these little woofers to give BIG impact. They sound spectacular but the output isn't as much as we'd like.

It's simply not a slap it in and let it go woofer.

derickveliz2 · 05-11-2011, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Do you want to make that enclosure or do you want us to? That's the hard thing for you...it's a T/L enclosure. Right now we're still playing around with how to get these little woofers to give BIG impact. They sound spectacular but the output isn't as much as we'd like.

It's simply not a slap it in and let it go woofer.

I understand, even the IDQ12 woofer changes so much by moving it around and aiming that in some scenarios will disappoint me and others shines like no other; my guess is that I'm going to build a box(es) my self, it's going to be like "Form follows function" instead of "Function follows Form".

I will supply .35 cubic fit with 2" Diameter 16" long vent , like HAT shows in their website, as a starting point and see what happens?

I'm sorry for the slow return, I got a new (temporally job in the IT area) with lots of commute, and some other photo projects, keeping me very busy and no time for my hobby/passion.

D.

sqcomp · 05-12-2011, 02:01 AM

Job and family come first bro!

Like I mentioned in XBR's post, I've got a GREAT solution to IB the L6's.

Check this out:

You know the plastic insert mounts that the styrofoam goes into on our floor boards?

Use a flat blade screwdriver or panel popper and pop that bad boy out.

It gives is a 10"^2 aread for the L6's to vent! WOOT!

Take out your kicks, mark the area where that hole is, make the cut in the bottom of the pod. Before you put the pod back in, put some polyfill into the hole. It's a crumple zone that remains more dry than the doors do. I'd place a thin gasket around the hole and replace the kick pod. The mid bass response should be remarkable at this point, especially versus a sealed enclosure.

...and let the magic happen!

04-21-2011, 11:56 PM	#1226
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I received the album today...I'm listening to it. What you should expect is a very comfortable five piece jazz group in a VERY small jazz club. The club was so small that the recording engineer had to put the reel to reel recorder on his lap with no console! You should enjoy the ambiance and musicality of these recordings. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-24-2011, 11:35 PM	#1227
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I'm overwhelmed, many angles and aiming positions with the MIDs, technical tracks sound pretty good, some songs sound great! what sounds best??? it's hard to tell. In other hand I moved my IDQ12 back to the trunk (just for a couple of days) I just want to put it back up-front again. I did try the PB amp in other position and I still get the noise. It's getting warm over here, so that's good news! D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

04-25-2011, 12:37 AM	#1228
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	I'm thinking it's time to send the amp back to Jim. We'll get you covered... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-25-2011, 12:49 AM	#1229
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	A lot of the fun starts when you work on the tune... Remember order of operations though! Can you tell me what the proper order of tuning is? __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-25-2011, 01:24 AM	#1231
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	There's a certain order that creates the most success in a tune... It' won't necessarily be on google. :) This is where I torture you hanging the answer over your head for a little bit. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-25-2011, 01:29 AM	#1232
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	OK, lets try... 1. set x-over points and dBs 2. TA 3. EQ Just to throw some thing... D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

04-25-2011, 03:55 PM	#1233
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	You're almost there! crossover phasing amplitude level time alignment equalization Take a little time to research the different effects that your slopes that you choose will have on phasing. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-25-2011, 07:06 PM	#1235
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	When you put the dB level as a choice. That's amplitude in this case. You recall what your p99 crossover slopes can do...that includes adjusting the signal Voltage for each preout which is nice. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-25-2011, 08:52 PM	#1236
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	There is also another technique that is a bit more advanced... I may let you in on that one in a few months. We'll see how I do in Calgary... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

04-26-2011, 07:02 PM	#1238
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	The tweeters for me are an afterthought. Most of the work of reproducing sound is done by the mids. The tweeters are there for top end "air". The aiming is a result of the same effect of the mids. It's about imaging for me. I can get the sparkle and air without the tweeters being too bright (i.e.-on axis). ...Scott also suggested I try the off axis setup... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

05-09-2011, 12:58 AM	#1239
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	This is what I've been waiting for... LINK to Video I6SW! D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

05-09-2011, 02:18 AM	#1240
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Do you want to make that enclosure or do you want us to? That's the hard thing for you...it's a T/L enclosure. Right now we're still playing around with how to get these little woofers to give BIG impact. They sound spectacular but the output isn't as much as we'd like. It's simply not a slap it in and let it go woofer. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

05-12-2011, 02:01 AM	#1242
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Job and family come first bro! Like I mentioned in XBR's post, I've got a GREAT solution to IB the L6's. Check this out: You know the plastic insert mounts that the styrofoam goes into on our floor boards? Use a flat blade screwdriver or panel popper and pop that bad boy out. It gives is a 10"^2 aread for the L6's to vent! WOOT! Take out your kicks, mark the area where that hole is, make the cut in the bottom of the pod. Before you put the pod back in, put some polyfill into the hole. It's a crumple zone that remains more dry than the doors do. I'd place a thin gasket around the hole and replace the kick pod. The mid bass response should be remarkable at this point, especially versus a sealed enclosure. ...and let the magic happen! __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

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