Bush dodges a shoe attack!!

[TheRealEnth]

Yeah, This i can official say... Is pretty much like one of the only things that makes me like bush =D lol..... That was pretty sick =p

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by bobselectric

Nobody respects this man, please respect the office.

Originally Posted by bobselectric

As I said if you don't respect the man, respect the office. I don't care if you didn't vote for him, disrespecting the President of the US is like wiping your ass with the Flag.

Well, I, for one, am not an American citizen, but I think I can safely say that one's president is the first one who should respect his/her office, and Bush certainly hasn't in quite a few occasions. If a person wants respect, he/she ultimately needs to earn it.

Oh and Panama boy, your country wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the US. You would still be some Colombians slave if we didn't recognize the "revolution" when we wanted to build the canal

What does that have anything to do with this discussion? Besides, that last statement is not necessarily true.

I agree that a certain level of respect is actually "inherited" by a president elect. But when the president's term is over, the respect he/she leaves office with is entirely his/her own.

[junorico24]

Iraqis should throw hugs and kisses to bush? come on BOB.

[Bob_VT]

I am positive that there are some unemployed secret service agents from that incident. I am pissed that they did not react quicker.

The secret service needs to relook at their gameplans.

[TLyttle]

DFA's point comes from outside the US. Very few people on this site from "foreign" countries (Canada is recognised as "foreign" by the US) have much respect for Bush, and the catastrophic results of his policies. If anyone brought the Office into disrepute, it is Bush himself, not some journalist. Bush's reaction to the whole episode was typically ignorant and arrogant, same as every other public appearance he has made in the last 8 years. G'bye, Dubya, don't let the door smack your butt on the way out.

[ChinoCharles]

Arm them one decade and invade them the next... no wonder no one trusts us, and no wonder at least one Iraqi found it prudent to let our President know that he is not happy with him.

Oh, Brian. I love it when you tell it like it is.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by BailOut

I would also like to point out that the Iraqi people never asked for our version of freedom, and every poll that has been done from the time of our invasion and throughout our occupation has shown that the Iraqis feel their life was better under Saddam. Much of the country still has spotty or entirely missing basic services (which they had in fairly good order under Saddam), and the Sunni/Shiite issue that Saddam kept under control via tyranny has now fomented and spilled out into the streets. Not a week goes by without some terroristic act between those two factions occurring.

Arm them one decade and invade them the next... no wonder no one trusts us, and no wonder at least one Iraqi found it prudent to let our President know that he is not happy with him.

I don't buy parts of this poll.... things have been pretty rough in Iraq since the 1980s. They've had to fight two wars and then dealt with an occupation. Things might be worse now but they were not that good under Saddam.


On the other hand maybe the Poller didn't ask the right question? So I'll ask it of US posters here.


How would you feel if the Islamic World launched an economic embargo on the US? For five or ten years we cannot get enough oil. Food is scarce. Young kids easily die of disease. We become quite poor. In response the US Congress passes food rationing laws. Crime goes up and people are angry and frustrated. The dollar soon is worthless paper.

One day aircraft of the Islamic League bomb Washington and a few other major cities heavily. Our Navy is in mothballs and we have no nukes. The President issues an order for US troops to stand down. He or she negotiates a surrender and dissolves Congress.

The US Armed Forces are sent home.

The Islamic League begins to occupy the US. A force of millions enters the US through our ports, lands from troop transports and begins occupation duty. Any town larger than 50,000 citizens is occupied by Muslim Troops. Large "reaction forces" are stationed to quell unrest and are backed up by air assets.

They are here to spread the Word of God. They are here to free us of wickedness, gives us the peace of submission to Allah and to free us from the clutches of the wealthy, the wicked and the faithless.

You should be grateful to them, right?

Few of these troops speak English but expect you obey their commands. If you are driving to work and they set up a road block and you don't obey their commands they might shoot you. They can enter your homes at any time to find "terrorists" or "infidels" or just come around because they feel like it. You have to let them enter.

If one speaks to you and you don't understand they speak slowly. Finally they get angry and smack you. Sooner or later you'll pick up Arabic.


Since their mission to bring Islam to America they close the bars. Liquor is banned. Brewing your own beer or wine or distilling liquor will get your sent to jail. Selling liquor brings very hard penalties.

Churches are subject to a Dhimmi tax and are blown up if they harbor "militant critics of Islam".

The Islamic League forces everyone to either proclaim the Shahada or pay the Dhimmi tax. Anyone who refuses to do either is rounded up for re-education and is considered potentially hostile.

Some Americans, especially devout Christians and Jews, are arrested and taken to other countries where they are tortured into confessing that they are anti-Islamic. The worst of the worst are taken to Guantanamo and kept there as enemy combatants. Some come home from this "religious cleansing" either rabidly Islamic or frightened people.

In response some Christians and Jews, and quite a few Secular Humanists, form terror cells. They proclaim that those who are not with them are against them. Average Americans are caught in the middle. A visit to the Mall or the store could be a rendezvous with death from a bomb or shooter.

In response the Islamic League steps up investigations into terror. More people are arrested, more homes blown up and more people are investigated and worse.

If you go along with the Islamic League you're a traitor. Since the Islamic League is providing work you have to feed your family. Do you risk your life or feed your family?

The Islamic League proclaims to the world that they are "bringing the Word of God to a nation thirsty for Righteousness". They tell everyone that America ought to be grateful for this act of Salvation and Liberation from sin, lust and wickedness.

As a citizen of the American Islamic Republic you are expected to take off Fridays and work the rest of the week. If you are caught stealing they amputate your hands. If you commit adultery you could be stoned to death. Don't even ask what will happen if you are a homosexual - they'll drop a wall on you in some cases, especially Taliban troops.

If you are a woman and are found on the street without a veil you may be raped by Islamic Troops since you are being immodest. At the very least you'll be harassed. The local commanders do not do anything to stop any outrages, though the Islamic Republic states that sexual assault is not acceptable.

Women found without a male escort could also be raped. Some simply disappear never to be seen again.

Anyone who resists a Muslim Soldier may be shot on the spot, or their homes may be bombed from the air. Those who harbor terrorists can be arrested, tortured and shot.

Because there are not enough Muslim Troops to do the job wealthy Islamic Nations hire "private contractors" to supplement the ordinary troops. These contractors are powerfully armed and answer to no one. Soon you hear of stories where these contractors are doing awful things. The American Islamic Republic issues statements of complaint against these contractors. The Islamic League proclaims that once America is "fully submissive to God's Will" that the contractors will go home.

Car bombings begin in some cities. A group called "National Renaissance" claims responsibility. From time to time the lights go out as the "NR" stages another terror attack.

Soon electric power, which was not that reliable to begin with due to the Embargo this kind of crap makes it even more scarce. The Islamic League blames terrorists, even if it's just because of outdated power plants.


A huge "embassy" is built in Washington DC, on the site of of the Pentagon. This where the Islamic League will conduct business and help to "advise" the American Islamic Republic how to conduct its affairs.

In each city the Islamic League builds a "consulate". Soon you learn that the Islamic League is sending missionaries and administrators who will help shape America into a "righteous nation". You can tell who they are - they're the ones driving shiny new cars.

All schools must teach spoken Arabic. Children learn to read and write in Arabic. They also memorize the Koran. Children are encouraged to report parents who use alcohol or drugs or who say "things that are critical of the Islamic Republic". Children adopt Islamic names which they use in school and encourage their parents to acquire such a name. It's another way of finding out who is for God and who is against Him.

Naturally Israel is destroyed, and the surviving Jews are sent to America, where they will live in a sparsely populated part of the US. The rest of us are expected to keep watch on them and "contain them". These Jews, many of whom have military training, are kept under close watch by Islamic Troops. You hear rumors of atrocities but nobody really is sure.

The Internet is tightly censored and monitored. If you post something bad about the Islamic Republic you can expect some sort of inquiry.

One day a pollster comes to you. How do you feel about the Islamic League and their occupation, which is meant to bring the Word of God to you?

Are you grateful? Really?

Gene

[bobselectric]

Very thought provoking Gene. While not probable, it brings to mind the Invasion by Immigration occurring in Europe at this moment. There are large population centers of Muslims in France and the Netherlands, with some estimates saying the Muslims will be the majority in the Netherlands within 10 years. I AM AWARE THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!!! However you can't ignore that the poor, adolescents, and college students are the majority of extremists, and some of these people will become terrorists to spread the word of Allah.
One of the basic tenets of Islam is the respect that must be paid to guests, even disliked ones. I guess that all the applause from the Muslim world is that the Yankees will sign the shoe thrower and use him in the rotation.
Read your history folks, and not the propaganda that is taught in the schools

[DFA]

Great post Gene, putting oneself in the other's shoes does great lenghts for having a wider perspective of things.

TYLyttle speaks the truth, my intention wasn't and never has been to lash out at the office or the general US population.
I(and a really large group of people around the world, as weird as it might seem to some.) resent the ideas and leadership of one man only: George Bush. The man just has WAY too much blood on his hands, and has done unmesurable damage to our planet by turning his back on a bunch of environmental policies.

bobselectric, as tk-421 mentioned, your lashing out at me is both overblown and uncalled for. Yes, the US lent a hand with our independence, but all you really did was park your boats around to keep Colombia from getting reinforcements here and then bribe them to keep from coming back, for just a fraction of what you were going to put in your pockets because of the Canal.

Anyway, just drop me PM if you want to discuss history, because I don't think a lot of people here are that interested in some 3rd world country's independence story.

[slothman86]

that's so great!

[TLyttle]

Wow, I'm glad that Gene took the time to write that! I kept thinking those same thoughts since 2003, but whenever I advanced any of them on other sites I was told I was anti-US. Very factual, and very insightful.

[Tamago]

honestly, who throws a shoe??

[Malaya1221]

Gene, The Sultan of Spin...I don't deny that half of what you said are true but I don't believe US invaded Iraq to quench the oppressions...The US Gov't. had/have backed tyrannical states and we've never blinked an eye if the state violated any human rights!(used to live in one)...It's sad to say that most of our so called "Freedom and Democracy" imparting to the world is about money!

You reminded me of Matt Damon(Will) from "Good will Hunting"...

Sean: Thought about what you said to me the other day, about my painting. Stayed up half the night thinking about it. Something occurred to me... fell into a deep peaceful sleep, and haven't thought about you since. Do you know what occurred to me?
Will: No.
Sean: You're just a kid, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talkin' about.
Will: Why thank you.
Sean: It's all right. You've never been out of Boston.
Will: Nope.
Sean: So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the pope, sexual orientations, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling; seen that. If I ask you about women, you'd probably give me a syllabus about your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can't tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. You're a tough kid. And I'd ask you about war, you'd probably throw Shakespeare at me, right, "once more unto the breach dear friends." But you've never been near one. You've never held your best friend's head in your lap, watch him gasp his last breath looking to you for help. I'd ask you about love, you'd probably quote me a sonnet. But you've never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable. Known someone that could level you with her eyes, feeling like God put an angel on earth just for you. Who could rescue you from the depths of hell. And you wouldn't know what it's like to be her angel, to have that love for her, be there forever, through anything, through cancer. And you wouldn't know about sleeping sitting up in the hospital room for two months, holding her hand, because the doctors could see in your eyes, that the terms "visiting hours" don't apply to you. You don't know about real loss, 'cause it only occurs when you've loved something more than you love yourself. And I doubt you've ever dared to love anybody that much. And look at you... I don't see an intelligent, confident man... I see a cocky, scared shitless kid. But you're a genius Will. No one denies that. No one could possibly understand the depths of you. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine, and you ripped my fucking life apart. You're an orphan right?
[Will nods]
Sean: You think I know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are, because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally... I don't give a shit about all that, because you know what, I can't learn anything from you, I can't read in some fuckin' book. Unless you want to talk about you, who you are. Then I'm fascinated. I'm in. But you don't want to do that do you sport? You're terrified of what you might say. Your move, chief.


Salaam 'Alaykum!

"honestly, who throws a shoe?" a fu$&ing journo!

[1NZYaris1]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Dude, that Bush, hes got some crazy reflexes.

Practicing for when he goes Pheasant Shooting with Chainy,
hope i spelt hes name correct.

[junorico24]

I just think alot of Iraqis had had enough wid dis BS. like gene would if it happened in his backyard, right? So stop the war in Iraq. And let's have peace. Buh the world is a crazy place indeed.

[at3GG]

I like how people lash out at Bush. He is in fact, the most hated presient in history. But guess what. In 2001, after sept 11th, he was also the MOST loved. Like it or not. Love someone when you agree with them hate them when you dont. Hope all these bush haters dont have wives at home because geuss what? they're cheating on you for being deuschebags. Its true that probably a lot of iraqi's don't want us there, and those would be the ones destroying things and causing chaos. If we simply pull out and leave, EVERYTHING we have done will be a waste, whether you like it or not. Everyone who has lost a mother, brother, husband or son will have lost in vain. For the record, I do not agree with us being in Iraq generally speaking, but we're there now and we need to finish the job . I am being deployed soon, and i hate that I will have to leave my wonderful wife. But we need to fix this problem, because we are NOT the main cause of it. We're the only country strong enough to do so. This country's problems involve millions of innocents, in many other countries. We as members of the armed forces have volunteered to do this job. Stop complaining about us going over to do something we volunteered for.

P.S If i had walked down the street and hit precious Obama with a shoe i would be sitting in a cell right now, and so far he's nothing more than a celebrity. You cant deny it.

[bobselectric]

Originally Posted by at3GG

I like how people lash out at Bush. He is in fact, the most hated presient in history. But guess what. In 2001, after sept 11th, he was also the MOST loved. Like it or not. Love someone when you agree with them hate them when you dont. Hope all these bush haters dont have wives at home because geuss what? they're cheating on you for being deuschebags. Its true that probably a lot of iraqi's don't want us there, and those would be the ones destroying things and causing chaos. If we simply pull out and leave, EVERYTHING we have done will be a waste, whether you like it or not. Everyone who has lost a mother, brother, husband or son will have lost in vain. For the record, I do not agree with us being in Iraq generally speaking, but we're there now and we need to finish the job . I am being deployed soon, and i hate that I will have to leave my wonderful wife. But we need to fix this problem, because we are NOT the main cause of it. We're the only country strong enough to do so. This country's problems involve millions of innocents, in many other countries. We as members of the armed forces have volunteered to do this job. Stop complaining about us going over to do something we volunteered for.

P.S If i had walked down the street and hit precious Obama with a shoe i would be sitting in a cell right now, and so far he's nothing more than a celebrity. You cant deny it.

Thank you for eloquently agreeing with my viewpoint. Stand up for your President (whether you love him or hate him). I also don't agree with us being in Iraq, but the truth is we are there. When you do a job , do it right. Saying you support the Troops, then publicly denigrating the C-in-C just shows what a hypocrite you really are.

My friend, I hope and pray that you are kept safe. We as a country are proud of your and all other members service.

[Bob_VT]

I am pretty positive that GW is tired of the crap too. Given the chance I bet he would drop down to the level and punch the guys lights out.

If the roles were reversed and it was an assault done in our country...... immediate jail time. I spent 20 years in the acive duty Army and did not agree with all of my former leaders but I took an oath and stuck with the oath. There was not an option to only obey the orders we agreed with.......

at3GG have a safe deployment..... I am on your side.