2011 Toyota Yaris Hybrid - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

voodoo22 · 03-26-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by marcus

hope this gives us 1000km on a 42 liter tank.

kudzu71 · 03-26-2009, 07:56 AM

This is completely awesome! A hybrid Yaris would sell to all those folks that don't want a "family car" but still want a hybrid. This will totally be my next car.

roxy1 · 03-26-2009, 10:18 AM

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice.

we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

marcus · 03-26-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roxy1

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/

But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg.

hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice.

we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

you got that right...

wooverstone8 · 03-26-2009, 02:20 PM

If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

nemelek · 03-26-2009, 03:19 PM

I would rather buy an IQ.

kudzu71 · 03-26-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wooverstone8

If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

I would think it would have to be priced below 17K to realistically pull people away from the Insight. If they are too close in price then people will just move to the Insight for more cargo space/etc. I could totally justify a Yaris hybrid for 16,500 or so.

Now what would really be cool is if it was a 2-mode like the new Vue so that the first 40-50 miles or so ran completely off the batteries.

PetersRedYaris · 03-26-2009, 04:32 PM

I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

Rain · 03-26-2009, 06:52 PM

Probably my next car

But hopefully it's not a sedan!

Pars · 03-27-2009, 12:08 PM

Yep, Toyota is going to need to figure out a way to cheapen their Hybrid system to compete with Honda. The fact the Hybrid system can take the pressure off the engine and run all the accessories, instead of putting that load on the engine is a huge bonus (something that should be included in all cars). Now that batteries are getting better, it's a no brainer.

What would be cool, something that Honda couldn't simulate with their Hybrid system, is to have the system drive the rear wheel and make the car an AWD. Given the Yaris already had excellent dynamic while on the go, but crappy traction on the take-off, and extra set of driving wheel would be a huge bonus. Also, the extra take-off power might go a long way towards giving the car a better clutch feel (manual transmission). Also, a manual Yaris that's getting extra power from a hybrid system can be good setup to take on Honda's new CRZ. Or, Toyota can spend tons of money to build a car from scratch to take on CRZ, which would also be cool.

voodoo22 · 03-27-2009, 01:10 PM

The Insight II doesn't impress me. Toyota's Prius II beats it on all fronts but initial cost. That's why they're selling the old Prius at the same price as the Insight II in Japan, because they can match the price point of Honda and still beat the Insight II at FE.

Honda stopped mating their hybrid system with a manual transmission, because too many people who own MT don't know how to drive them and they were killing the battery pack. I doubt we'll see anything but AT's and CVT's on hybrids going forward.

What's great about Honda's efforts is they are making Toyota wake up and take notice that if they don't start competing in this sector of the market, they will lose their stranglehold on it. Case in point, the CRZ concept is forcing Toyota to revive an MR2 concept to compete with it and the Insight II's lower price is forcing Toyota to lower the price of the Prius II and continue to offer the old Prius in Japan until they have a more direct competitor available in their lineup.

Pars · 03-27-2009, 05:18 PM

I'm looking forward to the CRZ. I used to own a CRX and I miss the laid back driving position and the interior's look and feel. The new CRZ's interior is suppose to be modeled after the old CRX. It'll make for an interesting setup..

MR2 Hybrid, with an engine in the rear? Now that's even more interesting. I love it when one of manufactures raises the bar.

tetzyamis · 03-27-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PetersRedYaris

I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

I automatically thought is will be hatch because of the picture they used.
But you're right!!! They probably will use sedan... considering the space for the battery.

mr. poopyhead · 03-28-2009, 12:54 AM

gas mileage? just give us the D-4D already!

ka0sx · 03-28-2009, 01:06 AM

I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

roxy1 · 03-28-2009, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka0sx

I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

absolutely correct. you know when you ask people : "what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?", you will get some people who will respond, "the lead." well, i swear if you asked, what would you rather drive to get good mileage and save the environment, a 50 mpg hybrid or a 50 mpg gas engine car?" you would get plenty of "give me the hybrid" answers.

the fact is, that hybrid will most definitely have a bigger (negative) impact on the environment due to production/disposal issues. i dont get all the hybrid hype. i dont know if they will ever really justify their extra costs. it would take 100,000 miles of driving to save only $1560 by getting 50 mpg instead of 36 mpg. add $1560 to the current yaris price, and all that does is break even, but you know a yaris hybrid will be considereably more than that.

id rather have them concentrate their efforts on making gas engine cars lighter and more efficient and bringing us some truly high mileage deisel vehicles.

imo, hybrids are just a band-aid to the true future of vehicles. (fuel cels, electric, etc...).

MrMondayNite · 03-28-2009, 10:18 AM

There are only 2 cars I would trade my Yaris in for, the IQ and the VW Polo. But they are probably not coming to the states anyway.

voodoo22 · 03-28-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMondayNite

There are only 2 cars I would trade my Yaris in for, the IQ and the VW Polo. But they are probably not coming to the states anyway.

I'm with you on the Polo. I bet you could get 70 to 80 US mpgs with that thing on the hwy, since Richard Hammond on top gear managed close to that on his test with a lot of stop and go.

03-26-2009, 03:19 PM	#24
nemelek DWEED Drives: 3DR 2008 Metorite Metalic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,161	I would rather buy an IQ. __________________ Making a decision without following it with an action is still a fantasy.

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03-26-2009, 07:56 AM	#20
kudzu71 Drives: 2007 Yaris hatchback Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 38	This is completely awesome! A hybrid Yaris would sell to all those folks that don't want a "family car" but still want a hybrid. This will totally be my next car.

03-26-2009, 10:18 AM	#21
roxy1 Drives: 2014 yaris 5 speed Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 642	http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1875/69/ But increasing the mileage of a 15 mpg car to 20 mpg, saves as much gasoline (and carbon) as doubling the mileage of a 30 mpg car to 60 mpg. hard to wrap my head around it, but its true. going from the current yaris (36 mpg) to 50 mpg will save 78 gallons per 10,000 miles, or $156 at todays gas prices. after 100,000 miles in a new hybrid yaris, you will have saved $1560 in gas. one would never come close to recovering the extra costs of that car. environmentally good (but not as good as you'd think as compared mpg's get higher) but financially would be a poor choice. we need a sub 15k car that can pull 60 mpg. that would make it worth it to me.

03-26-2009, 02:20 PM	#23
wooverstone8 View User's Garage Drives: 2017 VW Jetta 1.4L Manual Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 349	If they can keep the starting price under 16k I would consider buying one in the future. The roads are so congested where I live now. I drive 40% city and 60% highway. The 60% Highway I drive is usually stop and go.

03-26-2009, 04:32 PM	#26
PetersRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2005 Scion xB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Black Hills of South Dakota Posts: 1,059	I bet it will be the sedan, sadly...

03-26-2009, 06:52 PM	#27
Rain help! my Yaris shrunk! Drives: 12 Hot Lava iQ/07 Jade Vios Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,748	Probably my next car But hopefully it's not a sedan!

03-27-2009, 12:08 PM	#28
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	Yep, Toyota is going to need to figure out a way to cheapen their Hybrid system to compete with Honda. The fact the Hybrid system can take the pressure off the engine and run all the accessories, instead of putting that load on the engine is a huge bonus (something that should be included in all cars). Now that batteries are getting better, it's a no brainer. What would be cool, something that Honda couldn't simulate with their Hybrid system, is to have the system drive the rear wheel and make the car an AWD. Given the Yaris already had excellent dynamic while on the go, but crappy traction on the take-off, and extra set of driving wheel would be a huge bonus. Also, the extra take-off power might go a long way towards giving the car a better clutch feel (manual transmission). Also, a manual Yaris that's getting extra power from a hybrid system can be good setup to take on Honda's new CRZ. Or, Toyota can spend tons of money to build a car from scratch to take on CRZ, which would also be cool.

03-27-2009, 01:10 PM	#29
voodoo22 Drives: Yaris Sedan (auto) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 545	The Insight II doesn't impress me. Toyota's Prius II beats it on all fronts but initial cost. That's why they're selling the old Prius at the same price as the Insight II in Japan, because they can match the price point of Honda and still beat the Insight II at FE. Honda stopped mating their hybrid system with a manual transmission, because too many people who own MT don't know how to drive them and they were killing the battery pack. I doubt we'll see anything but AT's and CVT's on hybrids going forward. What's great about Honda's efforts is they are making Toyota wake up and take notice that if they don't start competing in this sector of the market, they will lose their stranglehold on it. Case in point, the CRZ concept is forcing Toyota to revive an MR2 concept to compete with it and the Insight II's lower price is forcing Toyota to lower the price of the Prius II and continue to offer the old Prius in Japan until they have a more direct competitor available in their lineup.

03-27-2009, 05:18 PM	#30
Pars Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 418	I'm looking forward to the CRZ. I used to own a CRX and I miss the laid back driving position and the interior's look and feel. The new CRZ's interior is suppose to be modeled after the old CRX. It'll make for an interesting setup.. MR2 Hybrid, with an engine in the rear? Now that's even more interesting. I love it when one of manufactures raises the bar.

03-28-2009, 12:54 AM	#32
mr. poopyhead Drives: 2008 Yaris RS hatch Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mississauga, ON Posts: 17	gas mileage? just give us the D-4D already!

03-28-2009, 01:06 AM	#33
ka0sx Drives: bone f*ing stock Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CA east bay Posts: 234	I dont care hybrid systems are non cost efficient and do not in fact help the environment.

03-28-2009, 10:18 AM	#35
MrMondayNite Drives: 07 Yaris LB Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NY/NJ Posts: 138	There are only 2 cars I would trade my Yaris in for, the IQ and the VW Polo. But they are probably not coming to the states anyway.