planning a super cheap baby turbo. how barebones can i go?

[d3310n]

im talking super wallet friendly, ultra simple no intercooler, baby boost. whats the bare minimum i can do? just going to keep the motor stock, what turbo would be the most cost effective for my little idea? maybe a bov if i really need it. i can tune it at school.

any input?

[TOLMACH]

cheapest way would be zage

imo

[d3310n]

ok, how much power could i make with just that kit?

[fnkngrv]

Plenty of info here about the zage. Just do a search on it, but in all honesty you would be stupid to not use an intercooler. Without one you are probably looking at only 4 psi of boost and with the investment it would be a waste of money. You might wanna look at going with a used SC setup instead.

[cali yaris]

http://shop.microimageonline.com/ZAG...S-Zage-tky.htm

Ask any questions you like. No matter how you boost your car, you're going to have to tune it. FIC hardwired is cheapest, with the Boomslang plug 'n play is easiest.

I strongly recommend at least boost and air/fuel gauges to go with this kit.

[BEEF]

"custom turbo" and "wallet friendly" don't seem to go together.

I would say to ask what people have spent on their setups first. I would assume it would be in the $4-5K range on the low side given proper dyno tuning and all the hardware involved. realize that you are going to have to have some sort of engine management with any turbo. all these pieces cost and it all adds up.

if you can find a used supercharger kit, it may serve your purpose but those tend to get snached up quickly.

I know the supercharger kits with all the other boltons puts you around 120-135hp at the tires. the turbo kit (with 8-9 psi) is somewhere around 180hp at the tires.

how much money do you have to play with? this may be well within your reach or shooting for the moon depending on your budget.

[cali yaris]

I would assume it would be in the $4-5K range on the low side given proper dyno tuning and all the hardware involved. realize that you are going to have to have some sort of engine management with any turbo. all these pieces cost and it all adds up.

Zage kit $1649
FIC/Harness $850
Tuning $300-500

Total without extra goodies: about $3k

[d3310n]

i can tune it for free :D haha we got a dyno at the shop

[fnkngrv]

OP is saying they do not want to go with an intercooler so really they wouldn't even need fuel management I would think because you are talking only 3-4 psi of boost max which then gets back to my point that it really wouldn't be cost effective.

[cali yaris]

so really they wouldn't even need fuel management I would think

Yes you would. Even the supercharger kit comes with fuel management.

Here is your first deal towards the project:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...534#post719534

[47_MasoN_47]

I've got the Blitz on my car, I bought the F/IC that Garm posted, lol. I've been running my blitz for 13k miles without fuel management. It's not ideal (thus why I bought that F/IC) but it works fine. I had a short ram intake so I put some injectors from a Celica on it and it works fine. It runs really rich at idle, but when you're not idling it stays at 14.7 or whatever its supposed to be and drops down lower in boost.

The Blitz kit is expensive new (but worth it IMO) but occasionally you can find them for $1500 or so on here used.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by 47_MasoN_47

I've got the Blitz on my car, I bought the F/IC that Garm posted, lol. I've been running my blitz for 13k miles without fuel management. It's not ideal (thus why I bought that F/IC) but it works fine. I had a short ram intake so I put some injectors from a Celica on it and it works fine. It runs really rich at idle, but when you're not idling it stays at 14.7 or whatever its supposed to be and drops down lower in boost.

The Blitz kit is expensive new (but worth it IMO) but occasionally you can find them for $1500 or so on here used.

If you have the little blitz fuel controller installed (the little black box with the cockpit knob that lets you set the throttle level where the SC kicks in), then you have fuel management. That little box got wired to the injectors and adds more fuel per its built in map.

[47_MasoN_47]

Ah ok. Do I need to remove that when I put the F/IC in or do they work together?

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by 47_MasoN_47

Ah ok. Do I need to remove that when I put the F/IC in or do they work together?

You can go either way. If you removed it though you would lose the ability to switch the Blitz on and off.

[47_MasoN_47]

Alright. I like being able to turn it off, so I'll probably keep it in there.

[JohninVT]

I picked up a used Zage kit, AEM FIC and Boomslang for 1200 bucks. You're far better off going that route...even if you end up replacing the turbo.

IMHO, you'd be making a mistake installing a turbo without fuel management and an intercooler. Especially in Florida where the summer heat is extreme.

I've been running 10psi for a couple months. Once you're boosted to that level, the temptation to humiliate WRX's and Mustang GT's becomes too great. You WILL do long, full throttle pulls in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear. You WILL need the intercooler and management.

In fact, you might as well budget a set of rods while you're at it since that's all that keeps you from making serious HP. Just my .02.

PS-the Yaris is an aging model and a lot of the people who used to mod them have moved to other interests. You'd be surprised what you can pick up used at very reasonable prices.

[cali yaris]

^ so true!

[malibuguy]

with 10.5:1 compression, you do not want to cut corners being cheap.

the only way to make performance "cheap" is to already know what your doing & know where & how to spend your money.

cutting corners now WILL cost you more in the long run TRUST ME. I see it all the time. Even I'm guilty of that, as with the clutch in my track-day car. I've ended up spending twice as much as the now proper clutch I do have now trying to skimp by with cheapie ones.

if you cant do it right atm, then wait and save your money until you can do it right. the results will be much better & ultimately you will be happier.