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Chevy Cruze ECO earns an astounding 42 MPG EPA Highway rating!
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12-01-2010, 12:37 AM | #2 |
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This really questions the logic of spending twice as much for a Volt that gets 36 mpg highway in gas mode. That's right, 36 mpg in the far more advanced Volt designed specifically for efficiency. LOL!
42 MPG is an extremely significant achievement for a straight gas powered car. And it's good sized too. To think that much smaller cars like the Honda Fit only get 34 MPG highway. And Honda was always much more fuel efficient than GM cars. This really can't be overstated. First it was this years Fiesta which leapfrogged the rest of the industry with a 40 mpg rating with the 6-speed option. 4 mpg better than 2nd best. Now, the bigger Cruze comes along and sets a whole new standard nobody is likely to match anytime soon. And for this larger car to beat the Yaris by 6 MPG highway is nothing short of remarkable. |
12-01-2010, 12:56 AM | #3 |
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I think what most people miss is that this car (nor any car driven by the average human being) will not get 42 MPG. In fact, it won't get anywhere near that. It is CAPABLE of it, yes. It's not LIKELY to get it though.
America as a whole still drives like too much of an asshat, setting cruise control at 85 MPH thru the Appalachians, accelerating up to red lights and hammering the brakes, and overall having little knowledge of the most efficient method out of a car. I know there are people here that crack 50 MPG with their Yarii. Give that same Yaris they did it in to the Avg Joe and I guarantee he won't touch anywhere near 50 MPG. -SAV
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so for all you volt haters....how often do you really go more than 45 miles before you need to 'charge' again??? and, while you're at work do you have access to a 120v port? i happen to have access so, i will never be stranded...that and i drive 25 miles round trip.
plus i'm sure there'll be options for solar panels on hood and trunk like prius did. that will increase charging abilities. and the volt is much more advanced than the cruz. and until battery prices come down and technologies go up....electrics will be outrageous. any way, that's an average driver doing average things. that's not someone driving smart, with nothing in the car and trying to get better economy... any way, go cruz....now maybe GM can sell cars in china and korea.... |
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Well, regardless, it's the official EPA rating. The EPA tests all cars the same way and this is simply a way to compare cars and get an idea of what you may expect to achieve. Fact is, is that post 2007, EPA testing is much more stringent and "real world". This 42 mpg rating before 2008 would have been about 47 mpg. Today's EPA ratings are easily beaten. For example, most of us average around 38 mpg in our Yaris's even driving above speed limits and using AC. Yet the Yaris is EPA rated 29/36 (33 average). Based on that, most people will indeed get at least 42mpg while cruising on the highway even at 70-75mph. More than half will probably get more, even above 45 on average. Believe it or not, the new EPA testing actually tests based on going over the speed limit which you pointed out most Americans do. It's just normal to do so. And they test with the AC on and account for other real world variables. |
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12-01-2010, 12:40 PM | #6 |
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Today's EPAs are not as easily beaten as people think. A website of enthusiasts is not a generally good sample of the owners of the car as a whole. The largest sample on fueleconomy.gov of Yaris owners are coupled in the 2007 and 2008 models.
'07 AT = 35 MPG '07 MT = 38.1 '08 AT = 36.3 '08 MT = 38.4 That covers a field of 203 users just over those four model years. Personally, using the miles travelled/gallons filled method, I've never gotten better than 39.9 MPG, and that was after a week of steady 65 MPH commuting on I-95 to and from work during cool weather. No, nothing is wrong with my car either. Plugs are new, and I run full synthetic oil and have had new low rolling resistance tires on the car since May '10. So most people do not get at least 42 MPG on average. Most people will not get 42 MPG in the Cruze ECO either. The new EPA cycle only tests AC usage as a small portion of the ratings they issue cars. The average speed of the car while using AC is only 22.2 MPH and only over the course of 9 minutes while only travelling 3.6 miles. For the other four parts of conducting the EPA tests, the AC is off. The highway cycle's average speed is 48 MPH while touching a top speed of 60 MPH. They do have a section where the top speed they achieve is 80 MPH, but only over 8 miles and 10 minutes. The bottom line is, while the new EPA numbers are CLOSER to those achieved by the average American driver, they are still a bandaid rather than the full overhaul fix that the EPA system needs. While you can achieve the highway rating or better, the point still stands that you have to concentrate harder than most Americans are willing to do in order to get there. This isn't all a bag on the Cruze ECO. I appplaud tremendously that a car larger than ours with more luxury items is able to be more efficient while simultaneously offering more power. This is hopefully a sign of even better things in the pipeline. I just don't care for the misrepresentation and such disparity between city and highway numbers. Advertising a 42 MPG rating, when the car is not likely to touch anywhere near that on average occasion (you must take into account the 28 MPG city rating, and the 35 MPG average), is what irks me. -SAV
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It's rated 29/36 for the MT. That's 32-33 mpg average. Even the fact that you can get 39 mpg is a significant amount more than what the EPA says you'll get. Quote:
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The only thing that makes it get 42 mpg is an overdrive on the 6-speed auto box (it is not available with stick-shift) The LT gets 36 mpg, because it doesn't have the OD.
The engine is a 1.4 with turbo giving 138hp, and the cars' weight is close to 3100 lbs. So the power/weight ratio is just a bit worse than ours. |
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That's one long-ass sixth gear!
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12-01-2010, 10:24 PM | #15 |
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I'd still rather have the diesel version of the yaris over any hybrid 70mpg would be nice. I still dont understand how a 400 hp vette can get 30 mpg on the highway but a cruze only get 36.
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It has a very high 6th gear. And engines with a lot of power moving a light car barely has to work when cruising. The Corvette is basically idling at 75 MPH. Meanwhile, economy car engines run higher RPM at highway speeds than any other class. Their aerodynamics aren't superior, and they usually have less gears. |
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12-01-2010, 10:52 PM | #17 |
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the panels in the grill that close at speed help, too....as well as the underbody panels....
though a tall overdrive with a relatively torquey 1.4L turbo help too
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It's certainly interesting that they went with a very small 1.4 liter engine in the ECO, although turbocharged. 1.5 is the smallest engine in the US (except for Smart) until this comes out.
One thing to possibly be concerned about is engine reliability in the ECO. Reason being is that turbo engines are notoriously less reliable over time and such a small displacement coupled with 138 hp powering a good size car puts a lot of pressure on it. Though I think it will be fine has long as you're not trying to win races everyday with that turbo. Just gotta be easy on the throttle if you want it to last. |
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