Why won't Toyota USA give us the TS? - Toyota Yaris Forums

woof · 03-09-2009, 08:53 AM

I really wanted one of these with the 1.8. It looks like that tacky dress up package is as close as it's gonna get.

What's their excuse?

hatchbackkid82 · 03-09-2009, 09:01 AM

car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

As far as why, beats me

Tamago · 03-09-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hatchbackkid82

the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

really? you sure about that?

hatchbackkid82 · 03-09-2009, 11:30 AM

Read it some where i think car and driver. Can' remember it word for word but in a nutshell that what it said. I gotta look it up

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Originally Posted by Tamago

really? you sure about that?

JetfireK · 04-09-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchbackkid82

car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

As far as why, beats me

I am "guessing" its because Americans buy the powerful cars like Corvettes, and in general have/HAD plenty of money for gas Toyota and others ship their go faster models that America is NOW interested in because of our economy. It just "Shows" to go "Ya"!

aeipee13 · 06-01-2009, 03:34 PM

The JDM sti cylinders are sleeved. There are lame emissions or engine power laws in Japan where almost every (fast) car on paper is 280 HP via choking the engine with smaller pipping. USDM Sti just has bigger numbers but the motor is not better. Japan wouldn't play themselves like that.

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Originally Posted by hatchbackkid82

car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

As far as why, beats me

Russelt3hPirate · 06-01-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aeipee13

The JDM sti cylinders are sleeved. There are lame emissions or engine power laws in Japan where almost every (fast) car on paper is 280 HP via choking the engine with smaller pipping. USDM Sti just has bigger numbers but the motor is not better. Japan wouldn't play themselves like that.

the #'s were like that due to a gentleman's agreement.

the cars put out more power (well some did).

Japan agreed not to get into a Horsepower war. Probably a big reason why they have built small, HP, good emissions motors.

the USDM STi didn't need to comply, and the US Market tends to like bigger motors with more torque.

the 2.5ltr STI motor has inferior heads and turbo to the JDM/EDM 2.0ltr STI.

There are plenty of Tuning Shops in Japan picking up the 2.5ltr block and building it.

the Forester STi in Japan came with the 2.5ltr STI motor we see here in the states.

Sabretooth · 06-04-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Russelt3hPirate

the #'s were like that due to a gentleman's agreement.

Recently this has been changed, AFAIK, most of the newer and "peppier" (GT-R, etc) cars that Japan is putting out come with a natural speed limiter in them. Making where they cant hit above a preset speed limit, but this is GPS controlled so it will simply turn off in areas that the Gov't has deemed appropriate (race courses).

In quick reference, you can accelerate as fast as you want, technically...even though there are prolly some laws against that, but once you hit a certain top speed, your electronically goverened there.

Note that these conditions are straight from the showroom, you can have a shop remove the device, and it often done to "free" your new monster of a car.

eTiMaGo · 03-09-2009, 09:57 AM

because you have the xD, which is pretty much the same thing on paper...

hatchbackkid82 · 03-09-2009, 11:37 AM

It was rated at 280 hp (gentlemen's agreement in japan) but made more than that. Some say over 300hp some say a lil' under but either way it was underrated.

detroiter · 03-09-2009, 12:17 PM

I thought the Gentlemens agreement, on paper and contract anyways, was expired. Now it is just by word that they will agree to it, Don't quote me but I thought that was the case. Everybody knows cars they built had way more then the agreement anyways lol. The Skyline was more like 320-330 hp right along with the Supra being way more then 280.

hatchbackkid82 · 03-09-2009, 12:40 PM

Yeah 3000GT, Supra, STi, 300ZX, EVO they were all rated at 280hp... but put out well over that. The supra here was rated at 320hp I think

SilverBack · 03-09-2009, 12:46 PM

Supra TT was rated at 300 BHP the last I remember

IMO cars like TS will start picking up as these big SUVs and other unnecessary large vehicles continue to disappear. Just sit tight and wait

detroiter · 03-09-2009, 01:19 PM

Right, even the 3000gt VR4 here in the states was rated at 320 hp and 300lb tq. Even though it was heavy as can be, with the awd and those numbers together the thing is a beast.

staypuft · 03-09-2009, 05:55 PM

im still waiting for ford to release that beautiful focus rs over here or the euro type r. america needs more sexy hatchbacks. the ts would be sweet, the yaris looks way better than the xd imo

thebarber · 03-09-2009, 06:02 PM

jdm sti is a 2.0L...

and the TS would just kill xD sales...but id love an xD or TS in canada...

Zefoxe · 03-09-2009, 06:43 PM

we have the xD, US doesn't like small cars as it is on a wide scale, putting more competition in their own ranks would make no sense for toyota unfortunately, unlike in japan

1NZYaris1 · 03-09-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by woof

I really wanted one of these with the 1.8. It looks like that tacky dress up package is as close as it's gonna get.

What's their excuse?

American's can't handle the power,

sorry couldn't resist the cheap shot

03-09-2009, 08:53 AM	#1
woof Drives: Yaris 3dr Hatch/Black Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 114	Why won't Toyota USA give us the TS? I really wanted one of these with the 1.8. It looks like that tacky dress up package is as close as it's gonna get. What's their excuse?

03-09-2009, 09:57 AM	#9
eTiMaGo vroom vroom View User's Garage Drives: lil red 5-door Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 7,744	because you have the xD, which is pretty much the same thing on paper... __________________ The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. - Robert Jackson Bye bye 1NZ...

03-09-2009, 12:46 PM	#13
SilverBack Joey View User's Garage Drives: '14 Scion xD 5-speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: El Monte, Ca Posts: 3,529	Supra TT was rated at 300 BHP the last I remember IMO cars like TS will start picking up as these big SUVs and other unnecessary large vehicles continue to disappear. Just sit tight and wait __________________ Formerly owned Met-Met. '07 Yaris LB 5-speed. A forum post should be like a skirt: Long enough to cover the subject but short enough to keep things interesting. "I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem." -Hank Hill

03-09-2009, 05:55 PM	#15
staypuft aka SDMF View User's Garage Drives: 07 LB Met Met Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 298	im still waiting for ford to release that beautiful focus rs over here or the euro type r. america needs more sexy hatchbacks. the ts would be sweet, the yaris looks way better than the xd imo __________________ follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/samuryan_x

03-09-2009, 06:02 PM	#16
thebarber daily driver View User's Garage Drives: the #wrecho Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,877	jdm sti is a 2.0L... and the TS would just kill xD sales...but id love an xD or TS in canada... __________________

03-09-2009, 09:01 AM	#2
hatchbackkid82 Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,828	car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp. As far as why, beats me

03-09-2009, 11:37 AM	#10
hatchbackkid82 Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,828	It was rated at 280 hp (gentlemen's agreement in japan) but made more than that. Some say over 300hp some say a lil' under but either way it was underrated.

03-09-2009, 12:17 PM	#11
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	I thought the Gentlemens agreement, on paper and contract anyways, was expired. Now it is just by word that they will agree to it, Don't quote me but I thought that was the case. Everybody knows cars they built had way more then the agreement anyways lol. The Skyline was more like 320-330 hp right along with the Supra being way more then 280.

03-09-2009, 12:40 PM	#12
hatchbackkid82 Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,828	Yeah 3000GT, Supra, STi, 300ZX, EVO they were all rated at 280hp... but put out well over that. The supra here was rated at 320hp I think

03-09-2009, 01:19 PM	#14
detroiter Drives: 2008 Polar White LB Auto Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,238	Right, even the 3000gt VR4 here in the states was rated at 320 hp and 300lb tq. Even though it was heavy as can be, with the awd and those numbers together the thing is a beast.

03-09-2009, 06:43 PM	#17
Zefoxe ¦µ¶Œ€♦åËÆ⌐š└╘○Å╝◙þ·▲ View User's Garage Drives: Scion xD Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NY Posts: 450	we have the xD, US doesn't like small cars as it is on a wide scale, putting more competition in their own ranks would make no sense for toyota unfortunately, unlike in japan __________________ Coming 2010: Toyota iSt CK edition (CooperKiller) stay tuned

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