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DJCrazyChris · 02-12-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

This morning when I was braking, something made a noise and I had to push a lot harder than usual to stop. It felt very "spongy"

That would be the ABS working...probably when it wasn't supposed it...now imagine driving at highway speeds and needing the brakes and getting that kind of stopping power.

Jake · 02-12-2010, 09:25 AM

Just read a lot of the other posts, I guess when I had to brake harder, that meant my abs was on even though it was dry pavement? The car didn't want to stop! Everyone please follow the previous post and write Transport Canada
____

Here it is again

_____

If you have experienced this problem with your vehicle, we request that you complete our on-line complaint form. Please include your vehicle's seventeen digit vehicle identification number (VIN), current kilometerage, a narrative of the incident or problem, along with all other pertinent and contact information. Please check the box that will allow us to contact the manufacturer on your behalf.

Please visit our webpage via the link below.
https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index

_____

also,
my vin number also starts with a "J"

devinlamothe · 02-12-2010, 09:35 AM

Wow 600 on backorder??? WTF Toyota!

This is really starting to bug me.

DuckHunt · 02-13-2010, 05:54 PM

Hi Canucks!

You are not alone with this Yaris brake issue. I have two Yaris sedans. I have a 2007 and a 2008 model sedan. 2007 was the first year model in the US market.

I commute about 92 miles each day (150km) and love my Yaris. Last winter wasn't bad for us, but I had this issue in my 2007 Yaris Sedan in January 2009. It had 75k miles (120k km) at the time. The fix was the right rear wheel speed sensor. The hub and bearing assy was also replaced bringing the repair cost to $657 US. Fortunately I bought a 100k mile extended warranty and it covered it.

Just 8 weeks later in March 2009 my 2008 Yaris sedan came down with the same issue. It only had 12k miles (~19.3k km) at the time. The fix was the left rear wheel speed sensor and the wiring harness. I'm not sure of the cost as it was covered under warranty.

Today, I just dropped off my 2007 Yaris Sedan at the dealership. This time it is the left wheel speed sensor. They will likely be replacing the wheel & hub assy as well. They are recommending replacing the wiring harness on both sides at the same time due to corrosion. The total bill we be about $1000 US. The warranty will cover part of it, but maybe not the harness since it hasn't failed 'YET' on both sides.

Keep raising your voices over this issue. You are not alone. The US market has the SAME issue. I live about 60 miles west of Washington DC. Our winters are normally not as severe as Canada or quite as cold. If we are having the same issue here I can only imagine the issue is worse up there. I'll have to give the sensor cleaning tip a try the next time this occurs. As sure as the sun rises, it will happen again.

Other than this ABS issue, I have had no problems at all with either car. Unless Toyota steps up and corrects the issue, I will not be a returning customer.

DuckHunt
2007 Yaris Sedan (US)
2008 Yaris Sedan (US)

devinlamothe · 02-15-2010, 12:24 PM

Has anyone tried contacting Toyota Canada/US regarding this issue?

Tamara · 02-17-2010, 10:28 AM

OK! We need to be stirring the pot with this. I have been in contact with my steal-ership and theyre now offering up 300bucks towards the fix, and Toyota Canada is willing to chip in a bit too...HOWEVER, since I will be bringing my car to my local mechanic, as he was willing to attempt the cleaning fixes that are recommanded throughout this site (which WORKED for my left rear sensor, but my right rear sensor is still f'd), Toyota is not willing to chip in towards the parts or service as its not being performed by their overpriced inexperienced mechanics. So, we need to push Toyota Canada to do a campaign to have all Yaris's brought in and either have the connectors on the ABS harness cleaned/replaced, and/or have the company engineers design a better cover to protect these VERY sensitive circuits from our harsh Canadian climates to prevent them from corroiding.

Come on Toyota....fix this problem before we make it become a safety recall. You admit it yourselves on your website that ABS is better...and we did pay extra for it.

devinlamothe · 02-17-2010, 01:49 PM

I have sent a complaint to Transport Canada as well as Toyota Canada but received no response from either.

My local dealer also told me I would have to pay full price to get this fixed, eff that.

mijemc · 02-21-2010, 01:57 PM

Hej Onizuka
In Denmark Toyota calls the cars in to fix the gaspedals problems OK
How much does it kost for repair the gaspedals 1/2 our ?
How much does it kost for repair the ABS and VSC, 1/2 our, I dont think so, its kost a lot more.
Anyhow I have fix my ABS,VSC problem I have sold my Yaris, I look for another car to replace it, a Hyundai Getz 1,5 diesel. Hmm it is a ok car feels a littel old style, but it NOT a Yaris.
Anyway I ended up to bye a Toyota Yaris D4D from 2007 (26.000 km) in dark blue metalic color. It runs and feels like a new car.
I am a fool, I know, but I like to drive that car.

Michael Jensen from DK

shohei · 02-21-2010, 06:22 PM

Glad i found this forum!

We have 2007 5 door hatch bought in Feb. 2008 and a few days ago my wife called to say she started the car and the ABS light stayed on. I said to just take it easy (have had some warmer weather so the roads have been clear) and we could just slip it off to our local mech (Since owning the car my wife has had 2 major ...um screw overs at the dealer) and he could identify which sensor was shot. Well yesterday she popped back into the house to say the emergency brake indicator was on too the (!). I said probably a side effect of driving with out ABS repaired for X amount of Kms.

Any who... I had Decided to see if there was something i could do about it on my own. Voila - I joined the masses here.

Im going to try the cleaning bit and see it that will help before shelling out any $$. Not that im cheap but i can handle most repairs..just do not have a garage at my disposal so sitting in the slop in the driveway is never appealing -but compared to the $$$ ive read about so far...its worth it.

Im going to add to the government complaint form as well.

mijemc · 02-22-2010, 07:45 AM

2007 Toyota Yaris D4D 1,4 diesel
Do anyone have the batterilamps(charge) and fuelfilterlamps on, in kold or vet condition.
My old Yaris from 2006 had this problem. Maybe my new Yaris from 2007 have the same problems.

Michael Jensen from DK

Jake · 02-22-2010, 03:08 PM

well, my brother in law was nice enough to do it.
He's a mechanic. He used a compressor and blew out the dirt and lubricated the sensor on both the left and right side.

Lights are off, then on, then off, like a christmas tree.
Each day is different.

He inspected my brakes as well and said they are good.

Just letting you know the fix doesn't always work.

thanks,
JB

devinlamothe · 02-22-2010, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

well, my brother in law was nice enough to do it.
He's a mechanic. He used a compressor and blew out the dirt and lubricated the sensor on both the left and right side.

Lights are off, then on, then off, like a christmas tree.
Each day is different.

He inspected my brakes as well and said they are good.

Just letting you know the fix doesn't always work.

thanks,
JB

Yeah, it could be the actual wire harness that is the problem, getting corroded (aka bare wires being exposed or frayed).

DJCrazyChris · 02-23-2010, 08:44 AM

Just called my dealer and the parts have arrived this AM, not even stocked on their shelves yet, but it will be fixed today....we'll see though.

fidgell · 02-23-2010, 08:25 PM

Been a while now since I did "the clean" and lights are still off even in our Barrie winter climate. I think if you catch it early enough its a good fix, if not the rot has already set in!

onizuka · 02-24-2010, 08:36 PM

CEO MR Toyoda is now at the hearing in Washington. I hope this serves as a big wake up call to all the Toyota execs from covering up potential defects. Act on it, recall this problem before we have to hear it again from CNN about this BS. I blame on the execs for not acting responsibility on it. Do you think Mr. Toyoda from Japan would over see everything that happens in North America...please...

Jake · 02-25-2010, 09:06 AM

Dear Ms. Brown:

We are sorry you are having difficulties with respect to your 2007 Yaris' speed sensor.

Since your vehicle has over 100,000 km on the odometer, we would not be able to offer you financial assistance towards the repair, i.e. the 3 year/60,000 km New Vehicle Warranty expired over 40,000 km ago.

Thank you for writing.

Cynthia Charlebois
Customer Interaction Centre
toyota_feedback@toyota.ca

Jake · 02-25-2010, 09:10 AM

Helo Cynthia,

It warms my heart that you are sorry I am having difficulties. Yes, I have a lot of highway kms on my car, but it is less than three years old. I had to do a lot of highway driving recently because my mother had brain cancer last year.

So are you saying that Toyota will only replace the defective parts for those people lucky enough to have them fail during warranty? That's not very good customer service is it?

I will patiently wait along with the 600 and more people with backordered parts until Toyota is forced to address this and has to do another recall for defective parts.

It's just a matter of time before they will have to own up to the fact that they know the sensors and harnesses in the 2007 Yaris's are defective. In the meantime, I'm going to be as vocal as I can so that this problem is brought into public awareness because it is not normal wear and tear, very expensive to fix, there is more than one side to fix, the problem can happen repeatedly, and the consumer should not be paying for defective parts that Toyota knows are defective.

Also, this is not the only problem. The ABS brakes come on when they should not be coming on, but then I'm sure that Toyotos already know this. People's safety is also at risk here, it's not just the money.

Please see the pdf of the technical service Bulletin that Toyota sent it's dealers on June 27, 2008 called T-SB-0120-08 ABS M.I.L. "ON" DTC C0210 or C0215 that I have attached for you.

It quotes " Some 2007- 2008 model year Yaris vehicles may exhibit an ABS M.I.L. "ON" condition with either one or both of the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes. (They KNOW about his problem)

Then goes on to say "The sealing performance of the rear wheel sensor connectors has been improved to address this condition. Use the following repair procedure to diagnose and repair customer complaint vehicles.

Then of course goes on to say to only repair if under warrantee. Shame on Toyota!!! They make the rest of us pay for defective parts even though
they have come up with an improvement.

Thankyou,
Jackie

mojoyaris · 02-26-2010, 02:00 AM

I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately.
I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really!

I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL.

I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to.

It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed.

Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out?

02-21-2010, 06:22 PM	#9
shohei I've made a post! Drives: 2007 5 Door Yaris Hatch Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Fredericton, New Brunsiwick Posts: 1	Ditto Glad i found this forum! We have 2007 5 door hatch bought in Feb. 2008 and a few days ago my wife called to say she started the car and the ABS light stayed on. I said to just take it easy (have had some warmer weather so the roads have been clear) and we could just slip it off to our local mech (Since owning the car my wife has had 2 major ...um screw overs at the dealer) and he could identify which sensor was shot. Well yesterday she popped back into the house to say the emergency brake indicator was on too the (!). I said probably a side effect of driving with out ABS repaired for X amount of Kms. Any who... I had Decided to see if there was something i could do about it on my own. Voila - I joined the masses here. Im going to try the cleaning bit and see it that will help before shelling out any $$. Not that im cheap but i can handle most repairs..just do not have a garage at my disposal so sitting in the slop in the driveway is never appealing -but compared to the $$$ ive read about so far...its worth it. Im going to add to the government complaint form as well.

02-22-2010, 03:08 PM	#11
Jake Drives: 1997 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 9	Did the cleaning well, my brother in law was nice enough to do it. He's a mechanic. He used a compressor and blew out the dirt and lubricated the sensor on both the left and right side. Lights are off, then on, then off, like a christmas tree. Each day is different. He inspected my brakes as well and said they are good. Just letting you know the fix doesn't always work. thanks, JB

02-25-2010, 09:06 AM	#16
Jake Drives: 1997 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 9	Toyota's response to my complaint. Dear Ms. Brown: We are sorry you are having difficulties with respect to your 2007 Yaris' speed sensor. Since your vehicle has over 100,000 km on the odometer, we would not be able to offer you financial assistance towards the repair, i.e. the 3 year/60,000 km New Vehicle Warranty expired over 40,000 km ago. Thank you for writing. Cynthia Charlebois Customer Interaction Centre toyota_feedback@toyota.ca

02-25-2010, 09:10 AM	#17
Jake Drives: 1997 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 9	My response back to Toyota Helo Cynthia, It warms my heart that you are sorry I am having difficulties. Yes, I have a lot of highway kms on my car, but it is less than three years old. I had to do a lot of highway driving recently because my mother had brain cancer last year. So are you saying that Toyota will only replace the defective parts for those people lucky enough to have them fail during warranty? That's not very good customer service is it? I will patiently wait along with the 600 and more people with backordered parts until Toyota is forced to address this and has to do another recall for defective parts. It's just a matter of time before they will have to own up to the fact that they know the sensors and harnesses in the 2007 Yaris's are defective. In the meantime, I'm going to be as vocal as I can so that this problem is brought into public awareness because it is not normal wear and tear, very expensive to fix, there is more than one side to fix, the problem can happen repeatedly, and the consumer should not be paying for defective parts that Toyota knows are defective. Also, this is not the only problem. The ABS brakes come on when they should not be coming on, but then I'm sure that Toyotos already know this. People's safety is also at risk here, it's not just the money. Please see the pdf of the technical service Bulletin that Toyota sent it's dealers on June 27, 2008 called T-SB-0120-08 ABS M.I.L. "ON" DTC C0210 or C0215 that I have attached for you. It quotes " Some 2007- 2008 model year Yaris vehicles may exhibit an ABS M.I.L. "ON" condition with either one or both of the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes. (They KNOW about his problem) Then goes on to say "The sealing performance of the rear wheel sensor connectors has been improved to address this condition. Use the following repair procedure to diagnose and repair customer complaint vehicles. Then of course goes on to say to only repair if under warrantee. Shame on Toyota!!! They make the rest of us pay for defective parts even though they have come up with an improvement. Thankyou, Jackie

02-26-2010, 02:00 AM	#18
mojoyaris Ecurie Snoopy Lives View User's Garage Drives: Jojo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 447	I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately. I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really! I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL. I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to. It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed. Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out? __________________ Sponsors and Organizations: Toyota Rally Canada Yokohama Tire Canada Western Canada Rally Association Ecurie (Team) Snoopy Canada, racing since 1966

02-12-2010, 09:25 AM	#2
Jake Drives: 1997 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 9	Just read a lot of the other posts, I guess when I had to brake harder, that meant my abs was on even though it was dry pavement? The car didn't want to stop! Everyone please follow the previous post and write Transport Canada ____ Here it is again _____ If you have experienced this problem with your vehicle, we request that you complete our on-line complaint form. Please include your vehicle's seventeen digit vehicle identification number (VIN), current kilometerage, a narrative of the incident or problem, along with all other pertinent and contact information. Please check the box that will allow us to contact the manufacturer on your behalf. Please visit our webpage via the link below. https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index _____ also, my vin number also starts with a "J"

02-12-2010, 09:35 AM	#3
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	Wow 600 on backorder??? WTF Toyota! This is really starting to bug me.

02-13-2010, 05:54 PM	#4
DuckHunt Drives: 2007 & 2008 Yaris Sedans Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: West Virginia Posts: 4	Hi Canucks! You are not alone with this Yaris brake issue. I have two Yaris sedans. I have a 2007 and a 2008 model sedan. 2007 was the first year model in the US market. I commute about 92 miles each day (150km) and love my Yaris. Last winter wasn't bad for us, but I had this issue in my 2007 Yaris Sedan in January 2009. It had 75k miles (120k km) at the time. The fix was the right rear wheel speed sensor. The hub and bearing assy was also replaced bringing the repair cost to $657 US. Fortunately I bought a 100k mile extended warranty and it covered it. Just 8 weeks later in March 2009 my 2008 Yaris sedan came down with the same issue. It only had 12k miles (~19.3k km) at the time. The fix was the left rear wheel speed sensor and the wiring harness. I'm not sure of the cost as it was covered under warranty. Today, I just dropped off my 2007 Yaris Sedan at the dealership. This time it is the left wheel speed sensor. They will likely be replacing the wheel & hub assy as well. They are recommending replacing the wiring harness on both sides at the same time due to corrosion. The total bill we be about $1000 US. The warranty will cover part of it, but maybe not the harness since it hasn't failed 'YET' on both sides. Keep raising your voices over this issue. You are not alone. The US market has the SAME issue. I live about 60 miles west of Washington DC. Our winters are normally not as severe as Canada or quite as cold. If we are having the same issue here I can only imagine the issue is worse up there. I'll have to give the sensor cleaning tip a try the next time this occurs. As sure as the sun rises, it will happen again. Other than this ABS issue, I have had no problems at all with either car. Unless Toyota steps up and corrects the issue, I will not be a returning customer. DuckHunt 2007 Yaris Sedan (US) 2008 Yaris Sedan (US)

02-15-2010, 12:24 PM	#5
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	Has anyone tried contacting Toyota Canada/US regarding this issue?

02-17-2010, 10:28 AM	#6
Tamara Drives: 2007 Five door Yaris hatchback Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Trenton, Ontario. Canada Posts: 4	OK! We need to be stirring the pot with this. I have been in contact with my steal-ership and theyre now offering up 300bucks towards the fix, and Toyota Canada is willing to chip in a bit too...HOWEVER, since I will be bringing my car to my local mechanic, as he was willing to attempt the cleaning fixes that are recommanded throughout this site (which WORKED for my left rear sensor, but my right rear sensor is still f'd), Toyota is not willing to chip in towards the parts or service as its not being performed by their overpriced inexperienced mechanics. So, we need to push Toyota Canada to do a campaign to have all Yaris's brought in and either have the connectors on the ABS harness cleaned/replaced, and/or have the company engineers design a better cover to protect these VERY sensitive circuits from our harsh Canadian climates to prevent them from corroiding. Come on Toyota....fix this problem before we make it become a safety recall. You admit it yourselves on your website that ABS is better...and we did pay extra for it.

02-17-2010, 01:49 PM	#7
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	I have sent a complaint to Transport Canada as well as Toyota Canada but received no response from either. My local dealer also told me I would have to pay full price to get this fixed, eff that.

02-21-2010, 01:57 PM	#8
mijemc Drives: Yaris Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 5	Hej Onizuka In Denmark Toyota calls the cars in to fix the gaspedals problems OK How much does it kost for repair the gaspedals 1/2 our ? How much does it kost for repair the ABS and VSC, 1/2 our, I dont think so, its kost a lot more. Anyhow I have fix my ABS,VSC problem I have sold my Yaris, I look for another car to replace it, a Hyundai Getz 1,5 diesel. Hmm it is a ok car feels a littel old style, but it NOT a Yaris. Anyway I ended up to bye a Toyota Yaris D4D from 2007 (26.000 km) in dark blue metalic color. It runs and feels like a new car. I am a fool, I know, but I like to drive that car. Michael Jensen from DK

02-22-2010, 07:45 AM	#10
mijemc Drives: Yaris Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 5	2007 Toyota Yaris D4D 1,4 diesel Do anyone have the batterilamps(charge) and fuelfilterlamps on, in kold or vet condition. My old Yaris from 2006 had this problem. Maybe my new Yaris from 2007 have the same problems. Michael Jensen from DK

02-23-2010, 08:44 AM	#13
DJCrazyChris Drives: Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 5	Just called my dealer and the parts have arrived this AM, not even stocked on their shelves yet, but it will be fixed today....we'll see though.

02-23-2010, 08:25 PM	#14
fidgell Drives: 2006 Yaris RS 3 door Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Barrie ON Canada Posts: 58	Been a while now since I did "the clean" and lights are still off even in our Barrie winter climate. I think if you catch it early enough its a good fix, if not the rot has already set in!

02-24-2010, 08:36 PM	#15
onizuka Drives: Yaris Blk 5 Drs RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	CEO MR Toyoda is now at the hearing in Washington. I hope this serves as a big wake up call to all the Toyota execs from covering up potential defects. Act on it, recall this problem before we have to hear it again from CNN about this BS. I blame on the execs for not acting responsibility on it. Do you think Mr. Toyoda from Japan would over see everything that happens in North America...please...