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03-26-2014, 03:14 PM | #1 |
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What do you think about Russia and the Crimea. Interested in your opinion.
Everyone has an opinion is interesting that you say about these events, and chtovy think for yourself.
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03-26-2014, 03:31 PM | #2 |
I think the idea is more: if putin would take over one small area, what's to keep him from taking over other areas bordering russia (or even further).
I think it has more to do with the principle of the matter than what has actually happened. the assumption in the us is that the "vote" in crimea was biased at best and totally staged worst case. Not starting a flame war or anything, just stating the perception as i see it. |
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03-26-2014, 05:44 PM | #3 |
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BEEF said it all pretty much. Give 'em an inch and they want/take a mile -
It's the principle of it all. Will Putin lose it & become another Hitler? Probably not, but look what happened with that situation. People say he/Russia wants a warm water port? Isn't there land in Russia already bordering the Black Sea? (from memory here...) This is all beyond the average citizen, in ANY country right now. Politicians in the US are peeved because of this, and how many countries have we invaded or occupied lately? Russia has been of interest to me lately over the years. The Moscow Skyline is looking pretty awesome. |
03-26-2014, 06:00 PM | #4 |
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If you know the Crimea was Russian territory since 1783.
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03-26-2014, 06:26 PM | #5 |
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'If you know the Crimea was Russian territory since 1783'
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03-26-2014, 08:01 PM | #6 |
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the vote in Crimea was far more honest than the last few American elections, which are basically completely rigged at this point.
It is about time America starts paying attention to America, which is bankrupt and falling apart and the economy is terrible. Let the rest of the world do whatever it wants, at the rate we are going we aren't going to be able to take care of ourselves in a few years.
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.....or at least repaired. That's what we were told Obama's stimulus package was supposed to go toward....what a joke...largely went to benefit unions.
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03-26-2014, 10:08 PM | #9 |
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I guess it depends on whether or not you think there is evil in the world or not. If you don't, and thus think everyone can be reasoned with in every, or almost every, situation (as many believe Obama and Mrs. "What difference, at this point, does it make" do), then you might think it is all a waste.
I despise Cheney (and am no fan of Bush), but unfortunately I think he's right. Intentionally reducing our might beyond a certain point leaves a power void that won't stay vacated and result in peace, it will be filled by another far less altruistic power. Unfortunately (not because why? is saying it, but because we are in the position we're in), I think why? is correct with most of his points. I agree, sadly, that the election in Crimea was more honest than at least the last election here in 2012. The point may have passed where we can be the 'best hope' power that we've been in the past. As why? implies, if we don't concentrate on our own well being, we won't be able to take care of ourselves in a few years. Economically, we are starting to look a bit like Japan. IMO, we should avoid that road if we can. For us, that road would end sooner with a darker outcome as we, among other reasons, aren't as proficient savers as the Japanese. We need to find a sweet spot where we are staying strong enough, but spending the least to do that. The resulting 'savings', even if minute, needs to be used in the most judicious manner possible. We who don't have positions of power in government or 'own' positions of power (and thus don't know more of 'the cards') can pretty much just hope. |
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Needless to say, I share your interest. I want to visit (I've been to some former Eastern Bloc countries), but I'll wait. If I could convince my friend the folk dancing nut to go with me I'd go whenever allowed and when he'd want to go (he speaks Russian pretty well). |
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03-27-2014, 07:42 AM | #12 |
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Yes, a vast majority of Europe's oil is supplied through pipelines that run directly through Ukraine.
Russia really does need to make sure the little money it has coming in is guarded from terrorists. And Putin means it when he says he'll start using nukes if the terrorists attack.
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The new gov't in Ukraine could / could've possibly use extortion of Russia for the pipelines and the naval base or both . Maybe that has / had crossed the minds in Russia . I see Putin as the nuclear Napoleon . Difference is him being shirtless on a horse . Pleeeeeeeease . Got to get that image out of my head .
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To me the whole thing with Ukraine is the same as Czechoslovakia in 1937 with Hitler. Putin wont stop until he has Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, and every country once in the Soviet orbit back in the Russian orbit. He knows we wont go to war over it, as Hitler knew England and France wouldnt go to war over Czechoslovakia.
Much is made of Russias economic weakness. Obama says Russia is not playing from strength. Neither was Hitler. If we play the economic card with Putin he will do what Hitler did. Blame the result economic chaos on the Untied States and stir up Russians against Europe and the US. This plays right into his hands. There is only one way to stop Putin as there was only one way to stop Hitler. Kill him. Put a $10 million price on his head. Incidentally the Chinese are doing the same thing. They claim to own the ocean up to the shores of Vietnam, the Philippines etc. The only way to stop them is kill them too. Oh and BTW did you see there a petition in the Alaska senate with 30,000 signatures to secede Alaska to Russia? Wonder where that came from...
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Did you know the President of the New England Patriots showed his Super Bowl to Putin at a party. Putin put it in his pocket and walked away.
The man is the head of Russia and he is a criminal. That says it all.
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He applied sanctions to Iran and got them to the bargaining table. Of course, theres no way they will stop building nukes. If Obama thinks they will, then yes he is a joke. But if he keeps the Iranians feet to the fire then he did the right thing.
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We have some exceptionally bright young people in this country, but we also have many mushy idiots of many different ages who can't name the three branches of government. Last year a reporter visited the campus of a WELL RESPECTED university IN WASHINGTON D.C. The students were asked the name of the U.S. Secretary of State, and were also asked if they know what twerking is (think Miley Cyrus). Not one single student could give the correct answer (John Kerry), or even the previous office holder (Mrs. Clinton). However, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT could correctly identify twerking . Within the last week, a different reporter visited The American University (also IN WASHINGTON D.C.). Students were asked to identify ONE sitting U.S. Senator, and to name the theme song from the movie Frozen. Only two of many students could name one senator, yet EVERY STUDENT could name the theme song from the movie Frozen . During those same interviews at The American University, students were also asked how many Senators each state has...and only one student gave the correct answer of 2 . One student answered 13....(right...we give each state a senator for each original colony ). I put IN WASHINGTON D.C. in caps because I think it is particularly sad that students there (the cradle of our federal government!) are so oblivious. |
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