Black Friday

[Nigal]

Originally Posted by BailOut

There is still a whole lot of fuel usage when you shop on the Internet. The resources to make the item you bought were likely shipped to China from 3rd world countries, and then the final product was shipped all the way from China to your country of residence.

Perhaps you were only speaking of your own fuel usage, but saying you do not use any is still inaccurate. The fuel may not come out of your tank but it certainly used by the planes, trains, big rigs and delivery trucks that bring things to your door, and you still pay for it as shipping costs.

Awe come on bailout! Let's not get too preachy here. I bet he'd burn less fuel shopping than you did last summer in the mountains finding all those mountain lakes.

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by Nigal

Awe come on bailout! Let's not get too preachy here. I bet he'd burn less fuel shopping than you did last summer in the mountains finding all those mountain lakes.

Every one of those lakes that I found were along my normal commute route. On our way to work we would park in pullouts and mountain bike from there.

The one exception was our trip to Hole in the Ground which did indeed require a 140 mile round trip. However, I had one carpooler on the way there, two carpoolers on the way back, we saw a friend and ran two errands in a remote town nearby, we ate sack lunches and mountain biked roughly 17 miles with over 2,200 feet of elevation changes. In other words I averaged somewhere around 85 pMPG, got a hell of a workout, combined several errands and spent some quality time with friends.

That is hardly comparable to Christmas shopping, whether done online or in the manic traffic.