ATTN: Everyone putting HID's in their halogen setups. STOP IT! - Toyota Yaris Forums

Ran Kizama · 05-29-2007, 04:45 PM

Taken from a post on ImportAtlanta.com...
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Okay, let me explain something to you people who are doing the HID upgrade in your stock headlamps.

The halogen reflectors in your cars (or any car with halogen headlights) aren't designed to work with the light source arc produced by HID bulbs. The position of the HID bulb in the reflector assembly may not line up the arc of the HID bulb where the filament was in the original bulb. Plus, some halogens have filaments that are axial or transverse whereas all HID bulbs are the same. The characteristics of the arc light source in an HID bulb are different than a filament, including details like different amounts of light coming from the ends of the filament vs. the middle, and halogen reflectors take advantage of this. Installing an HID bulb negates the original design of the halogen reflector and causes grief for other drivers (and you).

Since HID bulbs don't have light shields on them like most low beam lamps, you end up blinding other drivers even with careful alignment of the headlamp.

HID conversions (and even HID in general) end up throwing a lot of light right near the front of your car rather than up the road where you need it. This extra light up close makes your pupils narrow, which doesn't allow you to see dark things as well up the road. This is especially bad in bad weather situations.

If you are going to throw in an HID kit, make sure to replace the entire reflector setup as well. Don't just do it cheap, do it right.
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If you don't like the yellowish tint on the stock headlights, then just buy some hyperwhite bulbs. Quit being ricers by putting cheap@ss "HID" setups in your halogen lamps. It's f*cking annoying to other drivers on the road.

ChinoCharles · 05-29-2007, 05:28 PM

This is an issue that has been brought up many times on these forums, and Ran is right. If you post a picture of your new 10,000K Ebay HID kit expecting praise on this forum, forget about it. You will be flamed!

If you're going to do this, do it right. At the very least, buy something with usable light output (4000-6500K) and spend some time trying to get the aim correct. Honestly, though, projector retrofits are the way to go because they give the driver a way to completely control light output. There are threads on these forums covering projector retrofits, and I know that the members who have done so thus far are receptive to questions and willing to give advice. If money is your excuse to do a shoddy job on your headlights, you shouldn't be doing headlights in the first place.

tekmoe · 05-29-2007, 06:06 PM

agreed 100%.

brickhardmeat · 05-29-2007, 06:53 PM

blue looks so fucking gross to me now, don't get me wrong a slight tinge like as far as the 6000k then it looks pretty nice but all i see around here are ricers with crazy blue cheap as hid's that look retard, you guys are right people should either retro fit or wait for the aftermarket headlights and do it the right way

those blue bulbs are gross too, I have osrams and hileds parking lights and I'm totally happy with it on this car, no blue splash in the assembly and no fake hid look, just nice bright light---these aren't grounds for punishment though just flaming

the next time you get glared by one of thes dickshits with hid in reflector housing please pull them over and knock 'em up side the head for me, I'll do the same

BlueFlash · 05-29-2007, 07:06 PM

i went threw sylvanias siverstars and phillips top of the line white bulbs and hated them i found bulbs at the local rice rocket shop that looked HID and were just as bright or brighter than the stocks and looked the best they are not blue too nore too white

eco · 05-29-2007, 08:42 PM

Man,I cant beleive there is actually a thread for this,what will Chris say?

brickhardmeat · 05-29-2007, 08:47 PM

well, chris knew what he was doing so I guess there will be exceptions, the bluer light creates more glare than whiter even brighter light, he compensated by aiming his down a bit

07typeS · 05-29-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brickhardmeat

well, chris knew what he was doing so I guess there will be exceptions, the bluer light creates more glare than whiter even brighter light, he compensated by aiming his down a bit

Exactly, you cant really flame on everyone for this. If they want to do th they want to do this. Some of us actually took the time to get them aimed properly. I dont have a super great cut off line but its good enough and i made sure i aimed it down, so that i wouldnt blind other drivers.

I put a car in front of me(lowered civic) and made sure that when i was sitting in the driver seat where i was directly in front, off to the side, or directly behind, that the beam was never solid into the car.

I know my beam pattern could be a little, and that would require a projector set up but thats a little more then i want to spend, especially when I think the current set up does a good enough job.

To the people out there modifying projectors to fit, awesome, more power to you. To the people out there installing HID's and taking the time to make sure you are being respectful to other drivers, awesome.

brickhardmeat · 05-29-2007, 09:12 PM

I almost did it myself and opted not until there are some headlight options at least but more power to you. I got a little carried away.

Terrorize · 05-30-2007, 03:11 AM

I installed HID in my sedan....
I don't really have any cutoff....the light is spread out...guess its cuz i don't have projectors...
Hmm...i understand what you guys are saying...but..i have this shield thing that is covering up my bulb....so it already blocks off the brighest part of the bulb,...so this isn't what you guys are talking about right??

Bis · 05-30-2007, 04:40 AM

this is kind of obvious, but nonetheless good info.

ASHRAF · 05-30-2007, 05:09 AM

We need some projectors

Why isn't theresomething like this for the new Yaris???

so it will be easier installing projectors in it

ChinoCharles · 05-30-2007, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASHRAF

We need some projectors

Why isn't theresomething like this for the new Yaris???

so it will be easier installing projectors in it

Because you haven't made it yet!

ASHRAF · 05-30-2007, 12:40 PM

Come ooon Morette!

RogueYaris · 05-30-2007, 09:28 PM

i agree with no putting the HID's in the stock halogen housings. i always have the urge to just smash into someone that is blinding me by doing stuff like this.

eijikikimaru · 06-01-2007, 07:29 PM

Yeah, seriously been waiting forever( lol only had the car for 5 months =p it's not long but you know how it feels) for aftermarket projectors. I'm not skilled enough to retrofit them so just waiting. Besides, maybe aftermarket projectors will have some smart chips so when you take a turn it'll turn too. That way you can see the corner better... you know what i mean? Like the ones on the Lexus (insert model letter + # combo).

imperial4ever · 10-30-2008, 09:28 AM

1. Why are these 10K units not getting pulled over by the police as they are illegal?
2. How do these vehicles pass inspection.

I wish we could get the OEM units which I imagine the design has changed with the 2009 Yaris LB mid-cycle refresh.

lita_g · 10-30-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by imperial4ever

2. How do these vehicles pass inspection.

Not all states do yearly vehicle inspections. FL doesn't for example.

05-29-2007, 04:45 PM	#1
Ran Kizama That Anime Guy View User's Garage Drives: 5-Speed Liftback Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 543	ATTN: Everyone putting HID's in their halogen setups. STOP IT! Taken from a post on ImportAtlanta.com... __________________________________ Okay, let me explain something to you people who are doing the HID upgrade in your stock headlamps. The halogen reflectors in your cars (or any car with halogen headlights) aren't designed to work with the light source arc produced by HID bulbs. The position of the HID bulb in the reflector assembly may not line up the arc of the HID bulb where the filament was in the original bulb. Plus, some halogens have filaments that are axial or transverse whereas all HID bulbs are the same. The characteristics of the arc light source in an HID bulb are different than a filament, including details like different amounts of light coming from the ends of the filament vs. the middle, and halogen reflectors take advantage of this. Installing an HID bulb negates the original design of the halogen reflector and causes grief for other drivers (and you). Since HID bulbs don't have light shields on them like most low beam lamps, you end up blinding other drivers even with careful alignment of the headlamp. HID conversions (and even HID in general) end up throwing a lot of light right near the front of your car rather than up the road where you need it. This extra light up close makes your pupils narrow, which doesn't allow you to see dark things as well up the road. This is especially bad in bad weather situations. If you are going to throw in an HID kit, make sure to replace the entire reflector setup as well. Don't just do it cheap, do it right. __________________________________ If you don't like the yellowish tint on the stock headlights, then just buy some hyperwhite bulbs. Quit being ricers by putting cheap@ss "HID" setups in your halogen lamps. It's f*cking annoying to other drivers on the road. __________________

05-29-2007, 06:06 PM	#3
tekmoe ex-yaris owner View User's Garage Drives: 08 solstice gxp, 06 triumph s3 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: dallas, texas Posts: 344	agreed 100%. __________________

05-29-2007, 06:53 PM	#4
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	blue looks so fucking gross to me now, don't get me wrong a slight tinge like as far as the 6000k then it looks pretty nice but all i see around here are ricers with crazy blue cheap as hid's that look retard, you guys are right people should either retro fit or wait for the aftermarket headlights and do it the right way those blue bulbs are gross too, I have osrams and hileds parking lights and I'm totally happy with it on this car, no blue splash in the assembly and no fake hid look, just nice bright light---these aren't grounds for punishment though just flaming the next time you get glared by one of thes dickshits with hid in reflector housing please pull them over and knock 'em up side the head for me, I'll do the same __________________ SPONSORED BY

05-29-2007, 07:06 PM	#5
BlueFlash wa do dem View User's Garage Drives: 2007 blue Lb Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mesa town Posts: 75	i went threw sylvanias siverstars and phillips top of the line white bulbs and hated them i found bulbs at the local rice rocket shop that looked HID and were just as bright or brighter than the stocks and looked the best they are not blue too nore too white __________________

05-29-2007, 08:47 PM	#7
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	well, chris knew what he was doing so I guess there will be exceptions, the bluer light creates more glare than whiter even brighter light, he compensated by aiming his down a bit __________________ SPONSORED BY

05-29-2007, 05:28 PM	#2
ChinoCharles Banned Drives: LB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OH Posts: 7,787	This is an issue that has been brought up many times on these forums, and Ran is right. If you post a picture of your new 10,000K Ebay HID kit expecting praise on this forum, forget about it. You will be flamed! If you're going to do this, do it right. At the very least, buy something with usable light output (4000-6500K) and spend some time trying to get the aim correct. Honestly, though, projector retrofits are the way to go because they give the driver a way to completely control light output. There are threads on these forums covering projector retrofits, and I know that the members who have done so thus far are receptive to questions and willing to give advice. If money is your excuse to do a shoddy job on your headlights, you shouldn't be doing headlights in the first place.

05-29-2007, 08:42 PM	#6
eco Drives: 2007 Black Yaris sedan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 884	Man,I cant beleive there is actually a thread for this,what will Chris say?

05-29-2007, 09:12 PM	#9
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	I almost did it myself and opted not until there are some headlight options at least but more power to you. I got a little carried away. __________________ SPONSORED BY

05-30-2007, 03:11 AM	#10
Terrorize Toyota Newb!! View User's Garage Drives: Yaris S Sedan w/ Aero Package! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 228	I installed HID in my sedan.... I don't really have any cutoff....the light is spread out...guess its cuz i don't have projectors... Hmm...i understand what you guys are saying...but..i have this shield thing that is covering up my bulb....so it already blocks off the brighest part of the bulb,...so this isn't what you guys are talking about right??

05-30-2007, 04:40 AM	#11
Bis Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Central California Posts: 28	this is kind of obvious, but nonetheless good info.

05-30-2007, 05:09 AM	#12
ASHRAF Scubie Du View User's Garage Drives: '10 SWP STi/'09 Escalade Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 350	We need some projectors Why isn't theresomething like this for the new Yaris??? so it will be easier installing projectors in it __________________ -AJ '05 Black Toyota Avalon Limited - Saudi Arabia '06 Black Sand Pearl Toyota Yaris YR - Australia '08 Fiji Blue Pearl Honda Civic Mugen Si - US '08 Lightning Red Subaru Impreza WRX STi - US '09 Diamond White Pearl Cadillac Escalade - US (current) '10 Satin White Pearl Subaru Impreza WRX STi - US (current) '11 Yaris?

05-30-2007, 12:40 PM	#14
ASHRAF Scubie Du View User's Garage Drives: '10 SWP STi/'09 Escalade Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 350	Come ooon Morette! __________________ -AJ '05 Black Toyota Avalon Limited - Saudi Arabia '06 Black Sand Pearl Toyota Yaris YR - Australia '08 Fiji Blue Pearl Honda Civic Mugen Si - US '08 Lightning Red Subaru Impreza WRX STi - US '09 Diamond White Pearl Cadillac Escalade - US (current) '10 Satin White Pearl Subaru Impreza WRX STi - US (current) '11 Yaris?

05-30-2007, 09:28 PM	#15
RogueYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2015 Abs Red Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: JAX Posts: 374	i agree with no putting the HID's in the stock halogen housings. i always have the urge to just smash into someone that is blinding me by doing stuff like this.

06-01-2007, 07:29 PM	#16
eijikikimaru Q(','Q) View User's Garage Drives: 3dr Meteroite Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: So. CaL Posts: 399	Yeah, seriously been waiting forever( lol only had the car for 5 months =p it's not long but you know how it feels) for aftermarket projectors. I'm not skilled enough to retrofit them so just waiting. Besides, maybe aftermarket projectors will have some smart chips so when you take a turn it'll turn too. That way you can see the corner better... you know what i mean? Like the ones on the Lexus (insert model letter + # combo).

10-30-2008, 09:28 AM	#17
imperial4ever Drives: 2008 Hyundai Accent SE Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pa. Posts: 12	1. Why are these 10K units not getting pulled over by the police as they are illegal? 2. How do these vehicles pass inspection. I wish we could get the OEM units which I imagine the design has changed with the 2009 Yaris LB mid-cycle refresh.