UOA Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 - 2zrfe

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Originally Posted by suprf1y

Nice work!
In my early trials with synthetic in the 90's I was doing something similar. Changing the filter/top up at roughly the 6 month mark with yearly oil changes. I was getting 24k out of an oil change, testing indicated that everything was OK, and over 10 years with the same car (which had a rep for oiling problems) I had no issues. My 06 truck had an oil life warning/monitoring system and while commuting I would routinely put 20k on it before the light would go on.

Rotella T6 might be an option for you if you're looking for a quality 40Wt at a decent price.

I have always wondered of those oil monitoring systems would correct themselves for synthetic oil. Good to know that they do, those things are actually fairly accurate surprisingly.

I have thought about T6 down the road. I am actually no longer going to buy my pil through CT anymore. In the past I had always waited for sales and paid around $37 for 5L. I took a trip to a local independant discount auto parts store which Carrie's a ton of fluids and a bunch of imported ones like Liquid Moly and boutique ones like Redline. They never have sales but their regular prices are essentially CT's sale prices or better. No more waiting for sales for me.

They have Klondike oil (BC company) for $25 for 5L of full synthetic. They also sell Total oil for $33 and T6 for $44. I looked up Klondike as I use their gear oil in my Vibe and was very happy. They list all of their oil specs online which is rare for companies to be that transparent.

Their Euro 5w40 although not the absolute best specs compared to the Mobil1 or Castrol 5w40, it is a very good spec'd oil work a great HTHS. The other two mentioned above are hard to get around here on sale and they are over $50 for 5L regular price. So I am going to give Klondike a go, $25 is a great price for a well spec'd oil.

When I eventually get my engine tuned and run a higher redline, I will run a UOA on the Klondike to see if I need to run something with more Zinc like a T6

[suprf1y]

Originally Posted by tmontague

I have always wondered of those oil monitoring systems would correct themselves for synthetic oil. Good to know that they do, those things are actually fairly accurate surprisingly.

They have Klondike oil (BC company) for $25 for 5L of full synthetic. They also sell Total oil for $33 and T6 for $44. I looked up Klondike as I use their gear oil in my Vibe and was very happy. They list all of their oil specs online which is rare for companies to be that transparent.

The monitors, at least on the GM vehicles I have experience with are basically an algorithm that takes into account RPM and load. They require a certain oil spec for the vehicle (Dexos in the case of my truck) and base it on that. The GM OLM's are apparently very accurate and in the case of my truck it zeros out after about 9 months and 16-18k. That's for a pretty ideal 35 km comute, but regular trips on the tach between 5-6000 RPM. It's a mildly modified 2.9 5 spd with 4.10 gear.

Most oil manufacturers should list their specs on a material data sheet and all should have an MSDS on their site which should also list it's specs

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Originally Posted by suprf1y

Most oil manufacturers should list their specs on a material data sheet and all should have an MSDS on their site which should also list it's specs

many have msds but that isn't all that useful. I'm talking about HTHS, NOACK score and so on. Many Off the shelf companies like to claim this is "proprietary" which is bs. Some people have received the info but there are many gaps for this info with OTS oil.

Klondike willingly post PDF's of all their various spec'd oil which is great to see

[suprf1y]

Originally Posted by tmontague

many have msds but that isn't all that useful. I'm talking about HTHS, NOACK score and so on. Many Off the shelf companies like to claim this is "proprietary" which is bs. Some people have received the info but there are many gaps for this info with OTS oil.

Klondike willingly post PDF's of all their various spec'd oil which is great to see

Have you ever looked into Amsoil? I've been using it in my race bikes for about 10 years now and it can be very reasonably priced compared to the competition. The marketing is a little hokey but you can become a 'dealer' (paid membership) and get decent discounts.

[suprf1y]

Originally Posted by tmontague

I took a trip to a local independant discount auto parts store which Carrie's a ton of fluids and a bunch of imported ones like Liquid Moly and boutique ones like Redline. They never have sales but their regular prices are essentially CT's sale prices or better. No more waiting for sales for me.

They have Klondike oil (BC company) for $25 for 5L of full synthetic. They also sell Total oil for $33 and T6 for $44. I looked up Klondike as I use their gear oil in my Vibe and was very happy. They list all of their oil specs online which is rare for companies to be that transparent.

So where is this store? I looked up the Klondike oil and you're right. Lot's of info and good specs. It's always nice to have options

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Originally Posted by suprf1y

So where is this store? I looked up the Klondike oil and you're right. Lot's of info and good specs. It's always nice to have options

Its caller A&A auto parts. One location in Hamilyon off Woodward (just over the skyway) and the other location 10 mins away off Barton in Stoney Creek.

The Stoney Creek location carries all the redline stuff and is more race oriented, whereas the Woodward location has a bunch of imported oils like LiquiMoly Total and carries Klondike oil. If I have to get anything in store I tend to go there as their prices are cheaper than CT and Parts Source.

I agree with you that engine materials / design is a large reason why oils last longer. Even the 2zr with its roller rocker arms vs the 1nz flat buckets make a big difference in friction reduction

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When you said discount auto parts store, my first though was A&A?

I've never been but some of my friends buy parts there. I'll have to check it out next time I'm in the area. I'll go to Woodward so I can pop into Glow variety for a sub
I did my automotive apprenticeship on Rennie street many years ago.

Better materials have allowed tighter specs and a far better seal, but electronic engine/fuel management has all but eliminated what was the big problem in the past, fuel contamination.