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10-19-2008, 02:06 PM | #1 | |
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Lean Burn - Hydrogen Enrichment
I'm going to restart the Hydrogen gas enrichment threads here.
I'm not into beating that poor little Nippon-Denso alternator with which we're equipped. I'm hoping that a catalytic reformer of gasoline emerges on the market that we can buy. Quote:
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10-19-2008, 02:23 PM | #2 |
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10-19-2008, 09:20 PM | #4 |
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well it does make combustible gas.. and the point isnt to get an HP boost but to let the car burn the gas cleaner and more efficently. They have done tests on the emissions and they show a decrease in toxins. And people get great results. They only work correctly if you mod teh 02 sensors too. When the car runs the gas and the HHO it puts out less emissions.. and the o2 sensors see that as running too lean.. and it will compensate and dump more gas in.. which will defeat the purpose.. I've read a bunch on this . and was going to do it on the jeep... until we decided to just get rid of it and the the yaris...
there is a yahoo group called watercar that has tons of info on it
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10-19-2008, 09:21 PM | #5 |
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Meh, unless it increases my MPG, I'm not too interested. I did the $30 oil catch can mod, I've done enough for emmisions, lol.
I wonder if that thread was saved.........
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10-19-2008, 09:34 PM | #6 |
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it does increase the MPG alot.. because it makes the fuel burn better.. you need less fuel for the same burn... because there is less waste..
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10-19-2008, 10:27 PM | #7 |
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Well......... when BailOut buys one, then I will... lol
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10-19-2008, 10:37 PM | #8 |
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you can build it for $40 worth of home depot goodies .. the plans are free on the site i posted. (Smack the guy who makes them) is all about free information and doesnt charge for the info and plans on how to build them. The money from the ones he builds goes to the car he's working on to work 100% off water :)
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10-19-2008, 10:40 PM | #9 |
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Well, if it costs 40 bucks to make, then I'd do it. If it does, and I get a major boost in MPG, then I'll go up to NH and buy you a beer. If it doesn't... well I get about 40MPG, I'll go up there and you buy me a beer lol.
I'll check up on the plans later and see what's involved.
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I was thinking about doing it but i dont want to void my warranty...
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10-19-2008, 10:48 PM | #11 |
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hahaha, FTW... new meaning for that acronym now lol
Rootbeer it is!
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I would be interested to see how this works out. Personally, I think the best way to do this would be to set up a solar panel on the garage, generate the hydrogen from the solar panel instead of an alternator, store it in a used scuba-tank, move the tank into the car and then pipe it into the breather.
I think the concept of hydrogen is sound, I just don't know if running it off of the alternator isn't counter-productive My 2 cents |
10-22-2008, 08:22 PM | #13 |
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there was a guy who did the storage route
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Has anyone installed a hho system in there car yet, i have one of the first yaris 4 doors that entered the states i get 40+ mpg. My warranty expires in 10,000 miles and i am looking at building and installing water for gas system.
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With all the clamor to get better fuel economy its curious why the major car companies with their billion dollar research and development departments never played with this idea or if they did why didnt they install it on their cars.Any links to substantiated testing of this system?
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07-17-2009, 02:31 PM | #16 |
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prolly law issues, and money... it all comes down to money.
Even if it doesn't increase mpg... if it reduces cost per mile at the same time of reducing emissions that is a big improvement. MPG doesn't tell the whole story... Cost Per Mile is what actually matters. I got better mpg's in washington than oregon last summer due to the difference of E10 Additive in oregon's gas.... but washington's was also more expensive... so when gas was $4ish a gallon it was a wash.... with gas being cheaper... the E10 in oregon isn't as good... but i'm sure by the end of summer it'll be back on top in terms of cost per mile. the equation to figure out is pretty easy... Gas price per gallon /mpg i.e. $3/40mpg = $.075 or 7.5cents per mile $40 isn't very much... if that's the only cost... if there are recurring costs however... it makes it much harder, and takes much longer to pay for itself. I think the biggest question is... how easy (read: how expensive) is it to mod the ecu to allow the lean mixture. |
07-17-2009, 09:42 PM | #17 |
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Methanol in fuel produces free hydrogen that's said to confuse O2 sensors. I don't know what effect it has on the sensor.
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07-18-2009, 10:31 AM | #18 |
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If you do the physics, you loose more energy than you gain. The are losses in energy conversion, mechanical to electrical energy (alternator/belt - heat) and electrical-chemical losses in electrolysis (breaking the H and O bonds in the water). Accurately accounting for these conversion losses will show that you have no gain. Currently there is no way of invalidating the laws of thermodynamics, it would be nice to produce a perpetual motion machine out of my Yaris. If you can get the hydrogen for free you may have something - perhaps as a waste product from manufacturing. Perhaps I should get some chickens and use the poop to generate methane and bottle it to run my car, as I side product I get fresh eggs and meat. Blast, I still have to buy the chicken feed.
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