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03-03-2013, 03:01 PM | #1 |
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License plate bracket for '09 that doesn't require putting holes in the bumper?
Hi all. Some stupid TX state trooper has been bothering my wife lately when she drives our '09 yaris sedan to work. She says that's all he does is sit there all day and bother people who have no front plate. But I really don't want to put any holes in the nice, unmolested front bumper on the car.
Is there a license plate mounting kit that I can buy, that does not require putting holes in the front bumper cover? All the ones I've found involve some kind of drilling. |
03-03-2013, 03:46 PM | #2 | |
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He's not being stupid, he's doing his job:
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One option other than mounting the plate to the bumper is a holder that uses the front tow hook. Other suggestions here. Given that she has been warned, I would recommend getting this violation corrected as soon as possible as usually there is little tolerance by DPS troopers for those who ignore warning about equipment offenses.
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03-03-2013, 05:12 PM | #3 |
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Thank you for the link. But I'm afraid the other link that you may have been directing me to, has died. Although I will just make my own bracket like they did in that thread.
As for the HIpo he's warned her three times. He can't do anything because the Texas state legislature was supposed to make a decision on the issue and didn't. So until january 6th of next year, technically its not illegal not to run a front plate. They can't make up their minds whether they want to do away with the law or not. He either doesn't know or like most LEO's is just being lazy and sitting there making sure it looks like he's pulling enough people over by watching for no front plates. Every time she passes by that spot he's got someone facing her direction, that has no front plate. What a.... douche. |
03-03-2013, 05:17 PM | #4 | |
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Look here: Uses your tow hook http://www.moweraxle.com/licenseplat...modelcars.html One of these should work, just find out the tow hook thread size, and length you will need to clear the bumper.
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03-03-2013, 09:01 PM | #5 | |
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He's not being a douche if he hasn't written her up on it by now. She wouldn't be so lucky in this municipality, most officers I ride with will not give second chances and justifiably so...
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03-03-2013, 11:44 PM | #6 | |
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I've seen hundreds of cars in Texas (in the last 5-6 years) parked in handicap spaces with neither handicap plates nor a handicap placard displayed, and not even one of these vehicles had a well deserved ticket under the wiper. I've also had multiple lifelong Texas residents (I know, anecdotal evidence) tell me they've never seen nor heard of an LEO giving a ticket for a handicap space violation. I've also seen people litter in the vicinity of an LEO in Texas without getting a ticket for it.....despite the fact that the 'Don't Mess With Texas' signs and campaign were initiated to target littering. Littering is still, from what I've seen, a fairly significant problem in Texas (much more so than what I've seen in California). Do missing front plate tickets in Texas generate fines? If so, is this up to local officials, or is this statewide? If front pate tickets generate fines, and there is an accompanying 'emphasis on fining', then why aren't LEOs in Texas like white on rice when it comes to issuing tickets for handicap space violations? I dont see how it could be for a lack of LEOs. in my area we have Constable's Office Deputies, Sheriff's Office Deputies, DPS Troopers, and ISD Police (Conroe, Klein, and others). P.S - Nevermind (Redface, Redface, Redface (icons not available on edit)) It would have helped if I'd read the statute you provided, and not just the text you wrote (Redface). I do wonder though, why (in Texas) I never see a handicap space violator ticketed given that I see many LEOs in such areas. Last edited by nookandcrannycar; 03-04-2013 at 01:36 AM. Reason: added P.S. |
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03-04-2013, 12:53 PM | #7 | |
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03-04-2013, 02:04 PM | #8 |
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I think you legal eagles are missing the original question.
The only way to mount a front license plate is to drill through the plastic. If that is an issue, you probably could get some adhesive that is strong enough to hold the bracket in place but if it falls off, you would have to get another plate and I suspect that would cost a lot, both in dollars and time.
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03-04-2013, 02:44 PM | #9 |
I'm not sure I 100% follow the logic about the whole front plate thing...
The current law is you have to have a front plate in TX... but the legislature met to discuss changing the law, but made no decision, so now the law magically doesn't count until they meet again to decide to get rid of the law again? Huh? Anywho, here's a nice way to have a front plate: Tow Hook License Plate Bracket
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03-04-2013, 05:13 PM | #10 | |
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That particular judge can rule any way he wants, but the state law still stands regardless of whether there is a change proposed or not. And cite his rulings all you want, it isn't considered "case law" as the ruling isn't by a higher court. Read and learn: http://faculty.law.lsu.edu/toddbruno...persuasive.htm
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No ifs, ands or buts. This law that is in place regarding the expiration dates of other laws, makes sure that the legislature does their job and takes action on laws and doesn't just leave it for the next guy and make a mess for everyone. Therefore, until they convene next year in Jan, technically, its completely legal in TX to run no front plate. Because there is no law one way or another regarding it. Its dead, but they can revive it. My guess is that they will. He said that he read that there was some mistake, and during session, the law did not get brought up in time. It didn't get entered into the list of laws that they were going to be working on. And it can't be brought up again for a year. Also I didn't say you wouldn't still get a ticket for it. Any of you who've ever dealt with the cops know they know jack squat about the law they're paid to enforce. They're just as likely to just write you the ticket and let you deal with the judge and let him worry about if it was actually legal or not. Not caring that you're going to have to pay court costs and such. That's just how they roll. Typical government fashion. And that's why I'm putting a plate on regardless of if its illegal right now or not. For the cops to actually stop bothering people about it, the TX state legislature would probably have to come out and say "We did away with that stupid law". Last edited by BennyLava; 03-04-2013 at 09:05 PM. |
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03-04-2013, 09:02 PM | #12 | |
Fricken' love this...removes the stock look too!
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03-04-2013, 09:02 PM | #13 |
I am close to recommending the mods move this to the "talk about other crap" area and keep the posts actually addressing the license plate fix.
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03-04-2013, 10:30 PM | #14 | ||
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I suppose that that makes a lot more sense. The way I read it at first was that because the legislature talked about it that it suddenly wasn't a law, and didn't see any expiration on the law that MadMax quoted. Didn't think you were full of it or anything... more of a "huh?!" moment. Quote:
Edit: Another suggestion: http://yarisworld.com/forums/showpos...6&postcount=21
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03-05-2013, 12:42 PM | #15 | |
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As for that hole in the bumper pic... Did someone just poke out those holes that come stock in the bumper? If so, does anyone have some kind of link to that particular mounting bracket? I looked around for a while but all I can find is stuff where they want you to drill holes in your freakin' bumper. I wouldn't mind if my bumper cover already had holes. But no one has ever put any so I don't want to now. No reason to ruin a perfectly good bumper cover like that. Also I thought about this: (but the wife doesn't want it) http://www.altecproducts.com/index.htm |
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03-05-2013, 12:58 PM | #16 | |
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If you are referring to my photo, you just pop out the little plastic circle (or square) in the bumper to gain access to where you would attach your tow hook and the license plate from screws into that... The link to where you buy it is right below the photo.
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03-10-2013, 03:08 AM | #17 | |
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