Anyone running Royal Purple?

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by Yar Is Word

From Silverglow #19 attachment

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EG018-06
Title:
ILSAC GF-4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION
Models:
All ’06 – ’07 Toyota & Scion Technical Service BULLETIN
March 29, 2006
TSB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. EG001–06.
TSB No. EG001–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded.
Toyota Motor Corporation manufacturing plants have begun using ILSAC GF–4 engine oil. This engine oil is recommended due to its superiority in terms of fuel economy and engine protection and due to its benefits for both the customer and the environment.
ILSAC GF–4 can be used in all Toyota and Scion engines.
NOTE:
The recommended viscosity grade for this oil differs according to vehicle model. Use the recommended grade specified on the oil filler cap or in the Repair Manual or Owner’s Manual for each vehicle.
For Prius vehicles, refer to TSB No. EG050–04, “Engine Oil Specifications.”
2006 – 2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles.
OP CODE DESCRIPTION TIME OFP T1 T2
N/A Not Applicable to Warranty – – – –
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
This oil has been set as the Toyota genuine engine oil, starting in February 2006 for the U.S. This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance.
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
This oil has even better fuel efficiency and cold starting performance than 5W–20. Initial application for 0W–20 is in the 2006 model year 2AZ–FE engine and will be used in new engines to be developed.
ENGINE
Introduction
Applicable Vehicles Warranty Information Recommended Engine Oils

ILSAC GF–4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION – EG018-06 March 29, 2006
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Engines That Can Use 5W–20 and 0W–20:

OIL ENGINE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20

AZ series
GR series
JZ series
MZ series
NZ series
RZ series
UZ series
VZ series
1ZZ–FE
2TR–FE

ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
(Beginning with 2006 MY)

2AZ–FE Camry
2AZ–FE Solara
2AZ–FE Highlander
2AZ–FE RAV4 (ACA3#)

NOTE:
DO NOT use these oils in engines other than those listed above. These low–viscosity oils cannot maintain lubrication effectiveness in engines with older designs and could result in smoke emissions from the tailpipe and/or unusual engine noise.

SO...Toyota says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris 1.5L NZ series engine, and Glow keeps providing that TSB link as proof the he likes to use the wrong oil in his Yaris...

Thank you.

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

SO...Toyota says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris 1.5L NZ series engine, and Glow keeps providing that TSB link as proof the he likes to use the wrong oil in his Yaris...

Thank you.

Wrong!

The TSB says that we can use 5w-20 in our Yaris. However I choose to use 0w-20 because I understand oil. At 212F, 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection, the same viscosity, so what is the big deal? I use 0w for the first start on cold mornings (40F or colder), as it will circulate faster, and better, and that translates into more protection during the first start of every cold morning, and it is at that instance when 90% of engine wear happens.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

Wrong!

The TSB says that we can use 5w-20 in our Yaris. However I choose to use 0w-20 because I understand oil. At 212F, 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection, the same viscosity, so what is the big deal? I use 0w for the first start on cold mornings (40F or colder), as it will circulate faster, and better, and that translates into more protection during the first start of every cold morning, and it is at that instance when 90% of engine wear happens.

Wrong!! 5W-20 is NOT the same as 0W-20, and Toyota is aware of it, that's why they say 5W-20 is okay for the Yaris but 0W-20 is NOT okay for the Yaris. Can't believe you're too dense to understand something that simple.

Rearrange the TSB to fit your needs all you want, and make all the excuses you want, but it's gonna be tuff convincing the Toyota service department how wrong they are if they ever question you for using a viscosity that is listed right on the TSB as a viscosity to not be used in the Yaris NZ 1.5

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Wrong!! 5W-20 is NOT the same as 0W-20, and Toyota is aware of it, that's why they say 5W-20 is okay for the Yaris but 0W-20 is NOT okay for the Yaris. Can't believe you're too dense to understand something that simple.

Rearrange the TSB to fit your needs all you want, and make all the excuses you want, but it's gonna be tuff convincing the Toyota service department how wrong they are if they ever question you for using a viscosity that is listed right on the TSB as a viscosity to not be used in the Yaris NZ 1.5

You are an idiot!

I never said the TSB says it is okay to use 0w-20. It says Yarii can use 5w-20.

HOWEVER, I use 0w-20 and my UOA's prove it is not a problem.

You really do need to take some vitamins!

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

You are an idiot!

I never said the TSB says it is okay to use 0w-20. It says Yarii can use 5w-20.

HOWEVER, I use 0w-20 and my UOA's prove it is not a problem.

You really do need to take some vitamins!

Liar, check your #29 posting on this thread where you claimed that I'm wrong and Toyota, Mobil and Amsoil are right...

But thanks for the backpedal, because on this very thread I asked if 0w-20 was okay according to Toyota's TSB and you jumped on the thread with your little TSB link pretending that it was some sort of proof that Toyota thinks 0W-20 is okay for the Yaris.


Quote:

"ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine. Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1."

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Liar, check your #29 posting on this thread where you claimed that I'm wrong and Toyota, Mobil and Amsoil are right...

But thanks for the backpedal, because on this very thread I asked if 0w-20 was okay according to Toyota's TSB and you jumped on the thread with your little TSB link pretending that it was some sort of proof that Toyota thinks 0W-20 is okay for the Yaris.


Quote:

"ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine. Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1."

You are wrong again! I didn't backpedel because there is no need to.

Toyota's 800 customer service line says you CAN run M1 or AMSoil 0W-20 as these do meet all their criteria for Yarii engines. The TSB published came out AFTER they drew this conclusion. Call Mobil1 and AMSoil and see if you know more about oil then they. You don't.

And I certainly would never run an oil that would damage my engine for grins or giggles.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

You are wrong again! I didn't backpedel because there is no need to.

Toyota's 800 customer service line says you CAN run M1 or AMSoil 0W-20

Really?

Toyota says to use "AMSOIL" even when it's NOT API approved?

AMSOIL's XL series is API approved, but it doesn't come in 0w-20

as these do meet all their criteria for Yarii engines.

They require API approval and AMSOIL's 0w-20 isn't API approved.

The TSB published came out AFTER they drew this conclusion.

OH, I see...the TSB came out AFTER, and not before And the TSB says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris, gotcha! :)

Call Mobil1 and AMSoil and see if you know more about oil then they. You don't.

They don't know enough or they wouldn't go against what Toyota wants to see in their Yaris crankcases.

And I certainly would never run an oil that would damage my engine for grins or giggles.

Of course you would to get that extra mpg...in a southern California climate that doesn't need better than 5w, any better than what Toyota recommends, especially if you're running synthetic.