Is there more to the '16 Yaris?

[M4One]

The all new sedan sold if Canada is based off the Mazda 2, no? I gotta to say it looks much better than the hatchback. http://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehic...sedan/overview

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by M4One

The all new sedan sold if Canada is based off the Mazda 2, no? I gotta to say it looks much better than the hatchback. http://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehic...sedan/overview

Yes, based of the Mazda2. And while I am not a huge fan of the '15-'16 Yaris hatchback front end, I am less of a fan of the Mazda2/Yaris Sedan/Scion iA sedan's front end.

[Exiwolfman]

Originally Posted by M4One

The all new sedan sold if Canada is based off the Mazda 2, no? I gotta to say it looks much better than the hatchback. http://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehic...sedan/overview

We got one at our shop and its just a re-badged Mazda in my opinion a disgrace to the Yaris and bloody ugly in every way and priced at Corolla range.

Honestly bad move on Toyotas part.

[BLKHILLSGUY]

Originally Posted by Exiwolfman

We got one at our shop and its just a re-badged Mazda in my opinion a disgrace to the Yaris and bloody ugly in every way and priced at Corolla range.

Honestly bad move on Toyotas part.

Agreed. Toyota DOESN'T need Mazda's help to build a spectacular small car. It's what they have done for decades. The only problem is Toyota has become so big that they want to focus in their bigger money maker vehicles like GM and Ford. It's a damn shame. I would never pay a Toyota price for Mazda underpinnings. Absolutely not. And I have nothing against Mazda either. I just think Toyota is being a lazy azz who doesn't want to compete with Hyundai and Kia in those classes. In a Kia or Hyundai they will give you extra features like heated front and rear seats that Toyota will not do. And the dumb buyers fall for that hogwash and buy from Kia and Hyundai, and get a horrid resale and a questionable quality vehicle. Not my cup of tea. I research EVERYTHING I buy and I do an exhaustive search. People in this class of car don't do that. This is a disposable culture we live in. The next generation wants cheap, not long lasting, whereas I will cry once over the price of a car and then be happier than hell that it will last me decades. Most consumers aren't like that anymore. If it breaks, I'll just buy another one. That's their mentality.

[ern-diz]

Originally Posted by Exiwolfman

We got one at our shop and its just a re-badged Mazda in my opinion a disgrace to the Yaris and bloody ugly in every way and priced at Corolla range.

Honestly bad move on Toyotas part.

Originally Posted by BLKHILLSGUY

Agreed. Toyota DOESN'T need Mazda's help to build a spectacular small car. It's what they have done for decades. The only problem is Toyota has become so big that they want to focus in their bigger money maker vehicles like GM and Ford. It's a damn shame. I would never pay a Toyota price for Mazda underpinnings. Absolutely not. And I have nothing against Mazda either. I just think Toyota is being a lazy azz who doesn't want to compete with Hyundai and Kia in those classes. In a Kia or Hyundai they will give you extra features like heated front and rear seats that Toyota will not do. And the dumb buyers fall for that hogwash and buy from Kia and Hyundai, and get a horrid resale and a questionable quality vehicle. Not my cup of tea. I research EVERYTHING I buy and I do an exhaustive search. People in this class of car don't do that. This is a disposable culture we live in. The next generation wants cheap, not long lasting, whereas I will cry once over the price of a car and then be happier than hell that it will last me decades. Most consumers aren't like that anymore. If it breaks, I'll just buy another one. That's their mentality.

Agree

[Thirty-Nine]

Originally Posted by BLKHILLSGUY

Agreed. Toyota DOESN'T need Mazda's help to build a spectacular small car. It's what they have done for decades. The only problem is Toyota has become so big that they want to focus in their bigger money maker vehicles like GM and Ford. It's a damn shame. I would never pay a Toyota price for Mazda underpinnings. Absolutely not. And I have nothing against Mazda either. I just think Toyota is being a lazy azz who doesn't want to compete with Hyundai and Kia in those classes. In a Kia or Hyundai they will give you extra features like heated front and rear seats that Toyota will not do. And the dumb buyers fall for that hogwash and buy from Kia and Hyundai, and get a horrid resale and a questionable quality vehicle. Not my cup of tea. I research EVERYTHING I buy and I do an exhaustive search. People in this class of car don't do that. This is a disposable culture we live in. The next generation wants cheap, not long lasting, whereas I will cry once over the price of a car and then be happier than hell that it will last me decades. Most consumers aren't like that anymore. If it breaks, I'll just buy another one. That's their mentality.

No, Toyota doesn't need Mazda's help. But it's probably far less expensive to for Toyota to do this than come up with its own vehicle. Plus, the iA is produced in North America, so it's cheaper to build.

Most Mazdas I've driven are much more entertaining to drive than most Toyotas I've driven. The previous Mazda2 was was a great little car; the Mazda3 has a fantastic chassis, etc., etc. I've always said every Mazda has a little Miata in it—and that's a very good thing! Mazda still has a great reputation for quality and longevity, as well.

Hyundai and Kia also have come a heck of a long way in terms of quality, performance, and technology. They are making world-class cars these days.

Despite the Yaris' revised front end, the car is essentially 10 years old. The Yaris is old tech; dependable old tech, but long in the tooth, nonetheless. And dealers (and the manufacturer) have very little incentive to push the Yaris for sales. They only make a couple hundred bucks on each one. With the Scion iA, they load them up from the factory, jack up the price, offer a boatload of accessories, and can make more off the car.

My 2007 Yaris has been a fantastic car and I still very much enjoy it. That being said, there are a lot of attractive competitors out there with more features, more power, more fuel economy, and more of a fun-to-drive factor.

Just my two cents.