Tanabe Front Strut Bar

[CASTREX]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

The bar is usless, and does not need to be retentioned.

You are cold....!

But yeah, the front strut doesn't do much for the car.

It does look cool tough!

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

You are cold....!

But yeah, the front strut doesn't do much for the car.

It does look cool tough!

Don't ask me about the rear brace :)

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

The bar is usless, and does not need to be retentioned.

Originally Posted by CASTREX

You are cold....!

But yeah, the front strut doesn't do much for the car.

It does look cool tough!

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

Don't ask me about the rear brace :)

ALRIGHT, first of all they are right in one way. that TANABE bar is useless and there are much better out there(BEATRUSH). SECONDLY, i challenge ANYONE who thinks bars are a waste to get in my car and hold on or use yours and TRY TO KEEP UP......

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by ROCKLAND TOYOTA

ALRIGHT, first of all they are right in one way. that TANABE bar is useless and there are much better out there(BEATRUSH). SECONDLY, i challenge ANYONE who thinks bars are a waste to get in my car and hold on or use yours and TRY TO KEEP UP......

A useless strutbar is a useless strutbar no matter what brand it is.

You are sponsord by a company who produces said useless bars makes you a biased sorce of information. The fact that you would say that a Beatrush is less useless than a Tanabe is rediculous, and proves my point.

Why is the strut bar useless? The front struts are mounted in RUBBER which flexes, and the strut towers themselves are part of the firewall, which is one of the strongest areas of the car.

Yes, there are a couple braces that will help handling... strut braces are not one of them, on this particular car. Some of the undercar bracing is actually usefull.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

A useless strutbar is a useless strutbar no matter what brand it is.

You are sponsord by a company who produces said useless bars makes you a biased sorce of information. The fact that you would say that a Beatrush is less useless than a Tanabe is rediculous, and proves my point.

Why is the strut bar useless? The front struts are mounted in RUBBER which flexes, and the strut towers themselves are part of the firewall, which is one of the strongest areas of the car.

Yes, there are a couple braces that will help handling... strut braces are not one of them, on this particular car. Some of the undercar bracing is actually usefull.

take a side by side look at both bars and tell me there's no difference. as for total uselessness come on now. BEATRUSH makes C-ONE and BRAILLE and has been a staple in VITZ/yaris products for years now.....

you can talk about how is does nothing all you want, problem is there's no proof to your opinions........

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by ROCKLAND TOYOTA

take a side by side look at both bars and tell me there's no difference. as for total uselessness come on now. BEATRUSH makes C-ONE and BRAILLE and has been a staple in VITZ/yaris products for years now.....

you can talk about how is does nothing all you want, problem is there's no proof to your opinions........

I'm not saying they aren't all a bit different, I agree some bars would be better than others if they actually did something.

I'm saying none of the bars are really needed until you have the the front struts solidly mounted to the car. Your money is better spent on bracing the suspension arms and subframe under the car.

Also, you have no proof that they do work :P

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

i see we can beat this all day long with no solid conclusion. im gonna say your 50% right so we can end this........

[KCALB SIRAY]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

A useless strutbar is a useless strutbar no matter what brand it is.

You are sponsord by a company who produces said useless bars makes you a biased sorce of information. The fact that you would say that a Beatrush is less useless than a Tanabe is rediculous, and proves my point.

Why is the strut bar useless? The front struts are mounted in RUBBER which flexes, and the strut towers themselves are part of the firewall, which is one of the strongest areas of the car.

Yes, there are a couple braces that will help handling... strut braces are not one of them, on this particular car. Some of the undercar bracing is actually usefull.

.

[largeorangefont]

^ Enjoy bracing something mounted in rubber

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

and an arrogant answer is unimpressive no matter who it comes from you may even be right largeorangefont, but you say it in such a way that many people don't care...

but both of you, honestly--dude posted up his new mod, did not ask for opinions of its utility. since this is not the thread to battle out your strut bar opinions, why not start a new thread and have at it? we might all learn something

The bar looks cool, it just does not do anything. If Loren were here He would agree with me. I'm sorry if it came off as arrogant, but people can buy whatever they like for their cars, it does not bother me.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

The bar looks cool, it just does not do anything. If Loren were here He would agree with me. I'm sorry if it came off as arrogant, but people can buy whatever they like for their cars, it does not bother me.

The front suspension on this car need mucho work - doesnt handle as good as a Yugo ( Fiat 126). Traditionally teh stut towers move around alot under heavy side loads - but the closer they are to the firewall the less they will move. You do have to increase the durometer rating on most of the bushings of this fat pig to get it to steer.
Sonjas' Brother

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

The front suspension on this car need mucho work - doesnt handle as good as a Yugo ( Fiat 126). Traditionally teh stut towers move around alot under heavy side loads - but the closer they are to the firewall the less they will move. You do have to increase the durometer rating on most of the bushings of this fat pig to get it to steer.
Sonjas' Brother

Get some R compounds, Delrin arm bushings, and solid upper strut mounts, then we can talk about strut tower bracing.

[andries]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

You are cold....!

But yeah, the front strut doesn't do much for the car.

It does look cool tough!

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

The bar is usless, and does not need to be retentioned.

Therefore race- and rallycars have one. For more weight

[cleong]

Race/rally cars drive in tougher terrain and higher speeds than road cars, with upgraded suspension bushings, harder and/or longer travel suspension with grippy soft-compound tires that impose more stress on the chassis.

You don't need it for the local grocery shop special stage.

[andries]

Originally Posted by cleong

Race/rally cars drive in tougher terrain and higher speeds than road cars, with upgraded suspension bushings, harder and/or longer travel suspension with grippy soft-compound tires that impose more stress on the chassis.

You don't need it for the local grocery shop special stage.

Oke, but sometimes I drive on the circuit with my Yaris and often I drive on mountain roads in Germany with many sharp bends. A strut tower bar gives a noticeably better cornering behavior.
So the tower bar is a good addition to the chassis of the Yaris, not all of the above but also for the "sporty driver".

[CASTREX]

Originally Posted by andries

Therefore race- and rallycars have one. For more weight

Is not that the front strut bars don't do nothing... they just don't do nothing on a Yaris...

This is due to the chasis configuration of the Yaris.

Even if you are driving at the track...

You will have to install a full racing suspension in order to receive any benefit from a this bar on the Yaris.

There are a lot of other car that can use the benefit of a front strut bar even for street use. The Yaris is not one of those.

On the other side the rear sway bar does alot for the car.

I have not use the other under bracing available for the car... so I can not talk about those.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

Is not that the front strut bars don't do nothing... they just don't do nothing on a Yaris...

This is due to the chasis configuration of the Yaris.

Even if you are driving at the track...

You will have to install a full racing suspension in order to receive any benefit from a this bar on the Yaris.

There are a lot of other car that can use the benefit of a front strut bar even for street use. The Yaris is not one of those.

On the other side the rear sway bar does alot for the car.

I have not use the other under bracing available for the car... so I can not talk about those.

To prove that you woulld have to put a strain guage on the brace to see what loading it is getting under side load - also you can statically load the lower wheel (with hydraulic/ratchet puller and come-a-long and see what moves. we'd do this for race setup - on the street just buy the part and feel the diff, if any. The car still def needs firmer bushings - the front wallows terribly on tight radius.

[SEVEN]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

Is not that the front strut bars don't do nothing... they just don't do nothing on a Yaris...

This is due to the chasis configuration of the Yaris.

Even if you are driving at the track...

You will have to install a full racing suspension in order to receive any benefit from a this bar on the Yaris.

There are a lot of other car that can use the benefit of a front strut bar even for street use. The Yaris is not one of those.

On the other side the rear sway bar does alot for the car.

I have not use the other under bracing available for the car... so I can not talk about those.

Does TRD springs and KYB shocks count as full racing suspension?? If not, just say that the STRUT BAR makes a lot of difference in the handling so I can sleep at night PLEASE