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Old 11-22-2008, 07:55 PM   #1
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I have HUNDREDS of "magazine reviews" from "the muscle car era," have driven many of them and have a mechanical engineering degree on top of it.
I find this quite humorous. Magazine articles and ME degrees....exactly as predicted....a "Joe Pro." Do you know how many idiots that I deal with daily with basic ME degrees?....C'mon man. Just because somebody has an ME degree doesn't mean shit....it means that they are able to do fancy math equations that are meaningless 90% of the time.

Maybe I'll post up how I have 2 "Advanced" Engineering degrees, a BSBA and an MBA. Maybe that'll buy me some more credibility.

Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:23 AM   #2
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Still waiting to hear about your vette taking on my whimpy, slow 4 cylinder....It's never to late for me to add another vette to my collection...
Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature
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Old 11-23-2008, 10:50 AM   #3
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Your entire premise is beyond ludicrous.

As you can see, a new Z51 equipped Corvette like mine is fully capable of putting the NEW M3 away on a road racing circuit. And the new M3 is much, much faster than the 4 cylinder M3 from the late 1980s.

In the real world, an old M3 would be hard pressed to stay with the VW R32 in that test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...08+Results.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:53 AM   #4
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It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.
A 20 year old, 192 HP, 4 cylinder BMW isn't in the same performance league as a new Corvette by any stretch of the imagination.

Period.

An E30 M3 in anything resembling stock form would have had great difficult staying with a C4 Corvette (L98 - 240 - 250 HP) from the same period (late 1980s).

That's been proven and documented on countless occasions.
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Old 11-23-2008, 12:26 PM   #5
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It's apparent that you are completely absent of any "real life" experience. My offer still stands....AAMOF, I'll hand you a half lap of the course. I can arrange it before the snow falls. A VW R32 wouldn't even come close to an e30 M3 on the track...especially in half-capable hands. Again....I am willing to pay for everything....your transportation to the track (and the car), any octane fuel you wish, I'll suit you up and everything. Like I mentioned...just make sure that you have a way to get home after I make you look silly. A naturally aspirated 4 cylinder car would make you look silly....what a beautiful thing.


This R32 is significantly quicker than the old M3 by every measure, has much stronger brakes and significantly more grip. Only its (easily defeated) governor keeps its top speed below that of the M3:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html

The current generation Z51 Corvette dramatically outperforms both cars by every conceivable performance measure.

1988 E30 M3 (pathetic by modern performance car standards):


New base engine Corvette:
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