CONSUMER REPORTS : MARCH issue reviews '09 YARIS .

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

God. All you ever complain about is parts.

Buying a car with a limited logistical train, in other words, few places where you can get parts or service is not wise I lived through the Yugo and Belarus experience and understand these things.

I've also had to fix cars. Maybe you do not do such quotidian things?

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Not everybody keeps their car till it breaks down. I've been through a few cars where I replaced them under warranty. So please, cry a little bit more.

You like to give money to banks. You should be the one who is crying, not me.

Originally Posted by ddongbap

And you assume I'm poor or something.

So if you're not poor why did you buy an economy car?

Gene

[eht13]

Originally Posted by GeneW

So if you're not poor why did you buy an economy car?

I have agreed with some of your other points in this thread, but for this one I just wanted to point out something I said earlier in the thread... I would say that some people may have a decent amount of money but don't want to spend more of it than they need to on cars (either upfront or down the road in terms of cost of ownership and reliability).

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Buying a car with a limited logistical train, in other words, few places where you can get parts or service is not wise I lived through the Yugo and Belarus experience and understand these things.

I've also had to fix cars. Maybe you do not do such quotidian things?

I fix cars.

You like to give money to banks. You should be the one who is crying, not me.

You're assuming I like to give money to banks. I don't. I don't really care either.

And I probably should be crying. But I'm not. Because I don't care.

Either way, you're still crying.

So if you're not poor why did you buy an economy car?

Gene

To mod it.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

You're assuming I like to give money to banks. I don't. I don't really care either.

And I probably should be crying. But I'm not. Because I don't care.

Either way, you're still crying.

No, but if it pleases you to think that being fiscally prudent is "Crying" be my guest.

Originally Posted by ddongbap

To mod it.

*chuckle*

What are you going to do, put a fart muffler on it?

Seriously, the ECU on Yaris is very difficult to hack. Toyota made them that way. You're not going to mod it to evade all of the neat fuel saving stuff that makes the Yaris both environmentally friendly and fuel efficient, at least I don't think so. I don't know everything and am willing to accept experiment.

Fooling the sensors is not a smart idea, though I've heard of it done with simpler systems. A favorite trick is to introduce about eight feet of wire into an O2 sensor loop to fool the car into running more lean. Don't recommend it here.

NO is a possibility. If you could obtain a "performance" ECU from overseas that's also possible.

Gene

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by GeneW

No, but if it pleases you to think that being fiscally prudent is "Crying" be my guest.



*chuckle*

What are you going to do, put a fart muffler on it?

Seriously, the ECU on Yaris is very difficult to hack. Toyota made them that way. You're not going to mod it to evade all of the neat fuel saving stuff that makes the Yaris both environmentally friendly and fuel efficient, at least I don't think so. I don't know everything and am willing to accept experiment.

Fooling the sensors is not a smart idea, though I've heard of it done with simpler systems. A favorite trick is to introduce about eight feet of wire into an O2 sensor loop to fool the car into running more lean. Don't recommend it here.

NO is a possibility. If you could obtain a "performance" ECU from overseas that's also possible.

Gene

That entire ECU deal was dumb.

I've never ran a muffler of any sort, except for the stock one.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Stop assuming stuff. Its very unsightly.

Anyways, lets end this. We both know, (atleast I hope you do too) know that we've been in these kind of arguments before, and they end up going no where. So I'm gonna stop. Lets see if you do too.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

That entire ECU deal was dumb.

The ECU controls almost all aspects of the car's function. Changing the ECU, or its parameters, changes the function of the car, how it operates, its ability to accelerate faster. Even the top speed, which is regulated to prevent the tires from failing at high speeds, is governed by the ECU.

My little exposition on the ECU was topical and brief but quite germane.

If all you do is add some pulleys, change the air filter or exhaust, or do other topical changes all you're doing is nibbling around the edges. It's cute and may even help but it's not the kind of radical change needed here.

Originally Posted by ddongbap

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Stop assuming stuff. Its very unsightly.

What's a matter? Is the truth less glamorous than the confection? I work in a factory, what does that make me?

Nobody where I work buys "low end" cars. They buy SUVs, they buy family cars, one dude has a Dodge Viper. Two or three have Beemers. They are being crushed with debt too.

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Anyways, lets end this. We both know, (atleast I hope you do too) know that we've been in these kind of arguments before, and they end up going no where. So I'm gonna stop. Lets see if you do too.

In other words you're incapable of settling relatively friendly disputes?

Gene

[ddongbap]

Originally Posted by GeneW

The ECU controls almost all aspects of the car's function. Changing the ECU, or its parameters, changes the function of the car, how it operates, its ability to accelerate faster. Even the top speed, which is regulated to prevent the tires from failing at high speeds, is governed by the ECU.

My little exposition on the ECU was topical and brief but quite germane.

If all you do is add some pulleys, change the air filter or exhaust, or do other topical changes all you're doing is nibbling around the edges. It's cute and may even help but it's not the kind of radical change needed here.



What's a matter? Is the truth less glamorous than the confection? I work in a factory, what does that make me?

Nobody where I work buys "low end" cars. They buy SUVs, they buy family cars, one dude has a Dodge Viper. Two or three have Beemers. They are being crushed with debt too.



In other words you're incapable of settling relatively friendly disputes?

Gene

This isn't a friendly dispute. You're sitting there assuming crap about me which isn't true. If we continue, you're gonna keep assuming, I'm gonna start getting dirty, and w/e thread we're in is going to get locked. Regardless if you consider this a dispute, or w/e. this convo has no future. You should know this.

Friendly. Yea right.

[auxmike]

This thread's getting

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

This isn't a friendly dispute.

Seems pretty friendly to me. Someone yanks my chain and I yank theirs back. Of course I used to train a lot and went home with bruises, a concussion and once I peed in my pants from an unlucky kidney shot. All very friendly.

If you had not wanted to have your chain yanked, to have assumptions made about you, why did you come at me like a smartass?

Gene