Handling vs EG Civic

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by mrbond

Yeah, the Yaris definitely has potential. The Tein Yaris was able to pull a 1.01g skidpad. Granted, it had a shit ton of suspension and frame rigidity modifications, but still.

SCC did the same thing with coilovers, wheels, and tires on an otherwise stock sedan.

[regal]

Amazing.


I think the stock suspension is a little too high in the back, at least without back passangers.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by regal

I think the stock suspension is a little too high in the back, at least without back passangers.

regal, you think too much - go drive.

[regal]

I've got a trip to DC coming up, going to be a good 6 hrs drving in one day. Actually looking foward to it because of this new car.

[Split]

^ awesome! now hurry up and get that suspension in there and I have a feeling you'll be quite impressed.

[kngrsll]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

SCC did the same thing with coilovers, wheels, and tires on an otherwise stock sedan.

got a link to the article? what kind of tires and coilovers did they use? i assume those are hoosiers or something.

[2006fronty]

Originally Posted by kngrsll

got a link to the article? what kind of tires and coilovers did they use? i assume those are hoosiers or something.

Here you go, http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...ing/index.html

[kngrsll]

Originally Posted by 2006fronty

Here you go, http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...ing/index.html

thanks mate

[detroiter]

Not sure you how you feel about it, but I've always thought the old school bronze colored rims go awesome with white colored cars. I'm not a real big fan of this current trend of black rims on a black car, chrome rims on a white car type of stuff. I just think the older color trends look awesome, just like how some of the old red color subarus came with bronze mesh rims, looks very nice!

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

Originally Posted by Split

i think with all the bolt-on rigidity bars, and some coil-overs it would outhandle your civic. Technology has progressed since 1993. Same goes for the Honda Fit.

i said same thing but others on here are anti-yaris.....

[regal]

Originally Posted by detroiter

Not sure you how you feel about it, but I've always thought the old school bronze colored rims go awesome with white colored cars. I'm not a real big fan of this current trend of black rims on a black car, chrome rims on a white car type of stuff. I just think the older color trends look awesome, just like how some of the old red color subarus came with bronze mesh rims, looks very nice!

Yes bronze on white car looks great.

I want to keep mpg so I am leaning toward the less wide XB Scion rims

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

Originally Posted by regal

Yes bronze on white car looks great.

I want to keep mpg so I am leaning toward the less wide XB Scion rims

those xb wheels are NOT TPMS friendly and if you got an 08/09 they will not work.

[regal]

I was all set to spend $1400 bucks for the following:

15x6.5 Maxxim Assaults
Champiro 195-55-15 summer performance tires
TRD springs
Tokio Blue Shocks
TRD Rear Sway Bar


But I backed out, having second thoughts. I miss the way the EG Civic with Koni susp handled , got to thinking that I would be pretty dissapointed if the $1400 doesn't transform the Yaris. Don't get me wrong I like the Yaris, but I might just save the $1400 and put it toward an old 1st gen Miata one day. On the other hand I like my daily driver to handle like on rails. I always go thru a period of the blues when I sell a car, maybe I should wait till the EG is a distant memory before upgrading the Yaris.

The solid rear axel really has me questioning whether there is much to be gained by investing in the Yaris. Am I all wrong here?

[detroiter]

Start small and buy the few things that will definately make a major change but give you a taste of what the Yaris can do. You would be surprised just what the TRD Sway bar alone can do. I'd say go with the shocks, springs and rear sway bar just to start off your little handling journey. You won't be disappointed.

You are right though, but nothing will handle like the EG Civic because no other car is the EG Civic. You just have to face the music and accept that unless your driving another EG, then nothing is going to be 100% like the EG. By all means though..let me give you this to read and you can go from there what you think about Yarii's handling capabilities :)



From Zero to Hero: The 1g Challenge
Getting a car with any semblance of sportiness to pull a g is old news. So we went the opposite way in search of the elusive 1g: find the biggest turd we could get our hands on and see if we can get it to support its own weight sideways. Ironically, finding a reasonable candidate wasn't so easy in a sea of modern high-performance cars. It had to be horrid enough to make the challenge worthwhile, but at the same time new and popular enough that manufacturers are willing to actually make parts for it. Our managing editor's Datsun F10 and our editor's minivan came to mind as potential sacrifices to the skidpad, but we couldn't find anyone sufficiently odd making parts that lend any handling advantage.

We settled on a not-so-sporty, but certainly compact 2007 Toyota Yaris S sedan. It's the ideal econobox platform, with probably the least guts of any car we can think of. Just the kind of thing the Japanese would consider cool enough to be turned into a spec race car-the Vitz-precisely where we'll find our suspension bits. So the plan was to baseline the Yaris sedan, bring out the parts we'd need, and make changes on the spot to have the Yaris break the magical 1g barrier.

TEIN's crew came out to the track with a set of their unfortunately named Super Street coilovers developed from their Yaris hatch race car. The simple bolt-on suspension and minor changes to the factory alignment brought the Yaris from a pathetic 0.76g to an impressive 0.85g on the 200-foot skidpad. All with just springs, dampers and no anti-roll bars, in typical Japanese fashion.

Obviously, no amount of suspension would make the Yaris' stock grocery-run mommy tires break a g. So we called up the wheel and tire experts at Tire Rack to find the right pair of shoes. We weren't surprised that no one had any idea about what fits a Yaris, but that's what's so cool about Tire Rack. If they don't know, they'll find out. Even after fitting a set of 15x7 Enkei RPF1 with 225/50R15 Hoosier A6 compound tires in a computer simulation, Tire Rack went to the extreme of bringing in a stock Yaris sedan into their headquarters in South Bend, Indiana, to make sure the set-up worked with no interference issues regarding the stock suspension and chassis for the entire range of suspension travel. They even made sure there was enough clearance for the TEIN coilover suspension we were planning to stuff in. Special treatment, we thought, but it's a service they perform for any of their customers.
With the Hoosier autocross A6 compound and cheater slick tread design, our little Yaris went out and pulled off 1.05g. Something few of our projects cars can claim and enough to beat even the phenomenal new 997 Porsche 911 Turbo. So what did we prove? Two things: a little tire goes a long way and, while you may not be able to make a turd go fast, it's pretty easy to make one stick. -JC

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...hallenges.html



That should be more then enough to satisfy your question if the Yaris can handle ;)

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by regal

Blah blah blah... Am I all wrong here?

Yes. If you get all that stuff you won't be dissapointed.

Dont worry about the torsion beam axle. The car will be better than your Civic. My Yaris can corner with my friends M5, and about as good, if not better in slower corners than my modified Cobra.

The Cobalt SS has a torsion beam axle and it is faster around a track than an STI or EVO. Not that I am comparing the two.. just saying.

[regal]

Thats amazing, but for me coil-overs are not in the cards. I wish there was some hard data with the TRD suspension (shocks, springs, rear sway bar) and decent tires.

Would the TRD combo put the Yaris 70mph at the Slalom and .85 g's ? I mean the stock test results are so bad and it just feels like it is pulling a plow in turns that the engineer in me wants to know what I am getting for the TRD investment. Anyone care to take a stab at what Motor Trend tests would look like with the TRD stuff ?

Sorry to be such a pain, its just that with the economy and everything I am questioning all my for fun type purchases.

[mikenacarato]

Originally Posted by BLAZINBLUEVITZ

those xb wheels are NOT TPMS friendly and if you got an 08/09 they will not work.

solve by doing the tpms bypass.

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by regal

Would the TRD combo put the Yaris 70mph at the Slalom and .85 g's ?.

YES! Read the SCC article above. They did .85 g's with STOCK tires, Tein coilovers and NO rear sway bar. Those coilovers really aren't much better than a TRD/Tokico combo. Plus you will have the rear sway bar and better tires to make up the difference.

If you are worried about costs, do the suspension stuff and leave the stock tires on for now. You will be looking at a $600 investment if you go that route. You could also get Tanabe NF springs instead of the TRD springs and cut more costs.