I predict gas will be $3(nyc) by summer, national avg $2.80

[nemelek]

Gas prices are on the rise again. Up $.30 over the last month.

[NJBob]

It's around $2.30-2.40 here.

[mimelio]

$2.69 here in Central NY...

[aclark246]

I paid 2.48 in Southern Massachusetts the other day, but it looks like the average is 2.55-2.60. I hope it will stay under $3.00 but I'm not expecting it unfortunately.

[daf62757]

Until our government quits this global warming crap....it is snowing in N. Dakota for the first time in several decades.....and allows for more gas refineries and oil drilling, we will pay more for gas. This is a political problem, not a supply problem.

[yaris-me]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Until our government quits this global warming crap....it is snowing in N. Dakota for the first time in several decades.....and allows for more gas refineries and oil drilling, we will pay more for gas. This is a political problem, not a supply problem.

US output has been declining for two decades. Politics does not produce more oil resources. Oil is non-renewable. Government can not decree that we have more oil in the ground. It can only conserve what is left. Until the world reduces its dependence on oil we will see rising gas prices.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by yaris-me

US output has been declining for two decades. Politics does not produce more oil resources. Oil is non-renewable. Government can not decree that we have more oil in the ground. It can only conserve what is left. Until the world reduces its dependence on oil we will see rising gas prices.

There is enough oil in the ground...under the sea...under snow...to last this country for over 100 years. The reason gas prices are rising is that people believe that there is a shortage of oil. There will be fossil based fuel sources for decades to come and until we get the government out of playing politics with oil, we will pay far more than we need to!

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by daf62757

There is enough oil in the ground...under the sea...under snow...to last this country for over 100 years. The reason gas prices are rising is that people believe that there is a shortage of oil. There will be fossil based fuel sources for decades to come and until we get the government out of playing politics with oil, we will pay far more than we need to!

To last this country.... except that oil is a fungible commodity. If the rising middle class in China and India can bid more for it than we can they'll get it. Good luck getting the Congress, or oil companies, to keep "our oil in our country". Ain't gonna happen.

Let's be honest - I'm sure 150 years ago, when people lit their homes with whale oil, that they imagined that there would be plenty of whale blubber "out there".

Did not happen to be true, and the same will be true for petroleum.

Human Caused Climate change is a crock of horseshit and in the long run going to destroy people's respect for the environment, if only because they'll lump this junk science in with such useful things as waste remediation, soil erosion and sufficient potable water for all.

Gene

[2009Toyotoad]

Originally Posted by GeneW

If the rising middle class in China and India can bid more for it than we can they'll get it. Good luck getting the Congress, or oil companies, to keep "our oil in our country". Ain't gonna happen.
Gene

Gene, you are paraphasing ideas or subpositions proported as facts by many organization in the past. Japanese empire 1937, East India trading company 1800s, British crown in both the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century. The names and commodoties have changed with the times. However, the facts and circumstances proposed didn't happened or didn't occur as proposed.

War, revolution, technology, and money will tip the circumstances into U.S. favor.

[yaris-me]

Originally Posted by daf62757

There is enough oil in the ground...under the sea...under snow...to last this country for over 100 years. The reason gas prices are rising is that people believe that there is a shortage of oil. There will be fossil based fuel sources for decades to come and until we get the government out of playing politics with oil, we will pay far more than we need to!

Prove it!

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by yaris-me

Prove it!

Sure....convince your brain dead liberal socialist elitist politicians to lift the ban on drilling and I will.

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Until our government quits this global warming crap....it is snowing in N. Dakota for the first time in several decades.....and allows for more gas refineries and oil drilling, we will pay more for gas. This is a political problem, not a supply problem.

Pricing of *any* goods are a political issue. Nothing has any intrinsic monetary value unless we assign some value to it. Who can blame gas/oil companies for trying to get a premium price for their product? Simple market economics, you charge what the market will bear. End of story.

Now, regardless of your stance on global warming the fact remains that OIL IS A FINITE RESOURCE... which means it WILL run out at some point so it only makes sense to find alternative forms of energy with or without global warming as a justification. When supplies run low or demand runs high the price will skyrocket no matter what. Not to mention that gas prices always, always, always go up for summer due to higher demand. This isn't some part of the "global warming conspiracy".

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by Altitude

Pricing of *any* goods are a political issue. Nothing has any intrinsic monetary value unless we assign some value to it. Who can blame gas/oil companies for trying to get a premium price for their product? Simple market economics, you charge what the market will bear. End of story.

Now, regardless of your stance on global warming the fact remains that OIL IS A FINITE RESOURCE... which means it WILL run out at some point so it only makes sense to find alternative forms of energy with or without global warming as a justification. When supplies run low or demand runs high the price will skyrocket no matter what. Not to mention that gas prices always, always, always go up for summer due to higher demand. This isn't some part of the "global warming conspiracy".

I heard the "running out of oil" argument" back in 1976. Still have billions of barrels of oil left.....makes me think there will always be oil.

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Until our government quits this global warming crap....it is snowing in N. Dakota for the first time in several decades.....and allows for more gas refineries and oil drilling, we will pay more for gas. This is a political problem, not a supply problem.

I have disliked the term "global warming" sine I first heard it because I knew from the beginning that folks like you either wouldn't understand, or would understand yet play on the semantics of it anyway.

It's not strictly about warming, but rather how that warming produces climate change. Climate change can manifest in anything from growing deserts in Asia to freak snow storms in the U.S. to stronger hurricanes in the Atlantic.

You brought up an example of snow in North Dakota for the first time in decades, yet in the Reno/Tahoe area we had no appreciable precipitation from mid-February 2008 all the way until mid-November 2008. Conversely, we just finished off 8 straight days of appreciable rain, the most seen in this area since a lone record was set in 1911. If you look at your local weather over the previous 10 years as compared to the 10 year period previous to that, or even earlier, you will likely easily notice a pattern change.

Everywhere you look (if you bother to) there are signs that the climate is changing at a much more rapid pace than usual. Aside from the unavoidable finiteness of oil it has been proven by every research group that actually produces hard science that burning fossil fuels directly contributes to the issue of climate change. Wishing things to be different does not make them so.

[Yawesh]

2.99 Mobil One out at long island, lowest and mostly 2.69; seen some at 2.79(for regular gas)

i highly doubt that it will be lowered after the summer. maybe just a tad.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by BailOut

I have disliked the term "global warming" sine I first heard it because I knew from the beginning that folks like you either wouldn't understand, or would understand yet play on the semantics of it anyway.

It's not strictly about warming, but rather how that warming produces climate change. Climate change can manifest in anything from growing deserts in Asia to freak snow storms in the U.S. to stronger hurricanes in the Atlantic.

You brought up an example of snow in North Dakota for the first time in decades, yet in the Reno/Tahoe area we had no appreciable precipitation from mid-February 2008 all the way until mid-November 2008. Conversely, we just finished off 8 straight days of appreciable rain, the most seen in this area since a lone record was set in 1911. If you look at your local weather over the previous 10 years as compared to the 10 year period previous to that, or even earlier, you will likely easily notice a pattern change.

Everywhere you look (if you bother to) there are signs that the climate is changing at a much more rapid pace than usual. Aside from the unavoidable finiteness of oil it has been proven by every research group that actually produces hard science that burning fossil fuels directly contributes to the issue of climate change. Wishing things to be different does not make them so.

Folks like me? You mean people that have common sense? How arrogant to think that anything man could do would have an impact on the world's weather. The earth has been heating and cooling for billions of years and will continue to do so for billions more. Our efforts on this earth have done nothing to cause this.

[roxy1]

its a lack of understanding the historical warming and cooling of our planet. The major error in judgement that those who believe in the myth of human induced global warming make is that the average temperatures of the 18th and 19th centuries were global optimums when in fact they were exceedingly below the normal mean temperature of the planet. ive seen no studies to support man induced global warming that most of the leading geological experts in the world would agree with.

i think most people hear the phrase "global warming" and thanks to Al Gore's brainwashing campaign automatically associate it with a human caused condition. yes, global warming is a fact and it is happening. but, in the greater historical perspective, it is not out of whack with global warming patterns of the past.

around 900-1300 A.D. it was 2 to 4 degrees Celsius warmer than today. was that the beginning of the industrial revolution? of course not.

personally, i dont care which side of the argument anyone falll on. we need deperately to clean up our planet for a myriad of reasons.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by BailOut

rming, but rather how that warming produces climate change. Climate change can manifest in anything from growing deserts in Asia to freak snow storms in the U.S. to stronger hurricanes in the Atlantic.

Climate change can manifest many changes in weather patterns. The Jury is still out about whether or not trace amounts of Carbon Dioxide are capable of affecting the thermal balance of the Earth.

Zagoni, a former Global Warming Supporter, explains a different model discovered by Miskolczi, who resigned from NASA after they rejected his model because it did not support their "agenda".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykgg9m-7FK4

This is a pretty good counterexample, based upon observations seen on Earth and off planet.

I'm really hoping that we can put this myth behind us and get on with newer sources of energy, not 18th century peasant energy. There isn't enough oil to go around, and it's needed for petrochemicals and plastics rather than being squandered on fuel.

Gene