I predict gas will be $3(nyc) by summer, national avg $2.80

[BailOut]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Until our government quits this global warming crap....it is snowing in N. Dakota for the first time in several decades.....and allows for more gas refineries and oil drilling, we will pay more for gas. This is a political problem, not a supply problem.

I have disliked the term "global warming" sine I first heard it because I knew from the beginning that folks like you either wouldn't understand, or would understand yet play on the semantics of it anyway.

It's not strictly about warming, but rather how that warming produces climate change. Climate change can manifest in anything from growing deserts in Asia to freak snow storms in the U.S. to stronger hurricanes in the Atlantic.

You brought up an example of snow in North Dakota for the first time in decades, yet in the Reno/Tahoe area we had no appreciable precipitation from mid-February 2008 all the way until mid-November 2008. Conversely, we just finished off 8 straight days of appreciable rain, the most seen in this area since a lone record was set in 1911. If you look at your local weather over the previous 10 years as compared to the 10 year period previous to that, or even earlier, you will likely easily notice a pattern change.

Everywhere you look (if you bother to) there are signs that the climate is changing at a much more rapid pace than usual. Aside from the unavoidable finiteness of oil it has been proven by every research group that actually produces hard science that burning fossil fuels directly contributes to the issue of climate change. Wishing things to be different does not make them so.

[Yawesh]

2.99 Mobil One out at long island, lowest and mostly 2.69; seen some at 2.79(for regular gas)

i highly doubt that it will be lowered after the summer. maybe just a tad.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by BailOut

I have disliked the term "global warming" sine I first heard it because I knew from the beginning that folks like you either wouldn't understand, or would understand yet play on the semantics of it anyway.

It's not strictly about warming, but rather how that warming produces climate change. Climate change can manifest in anything from growing deserts in Asia to freak snow storms in the U.S. to stronger hurricanes in the Atlantic.

You brought up an example of snow in North Dakota for the first time in decades, yet in the Reno/Tahoe area we had no appreciable precipitation from mid-February 2008 all the way until mid-November 2008. Conversely, we just finished off 8 straight days of appreciable rain, the most seen in this area since a lone record was set in 1911. If you look at your local weather over the previous 10 years as compared to the 10 year period previous to that, or even earlier, you will likely easily notice a pattern change.

Everywhere you look (if you bother to) there are signs that the climate is changing at a much more rapid pace than usual. Aside from the unavoidable finiteness of oil it has been proven by every research group that actually produces hard science that burning fossil fuels directly contributes to the issue of climate change. Wishing things to be different does not make them so.

Folks like me? You mean people that have common sense? How arrogant to think that anything man could do would have an impact on the world's weather. The earth has been heating and cooling for billions of years and will continue to do so for billions more. Our efforts on this earth have done nothing to cause this.

[roxy1]

its a lack of understanding the historical warming and cooling of our planet. The major error in judgement that those who believe in the myth of human induced global warming make is that the average temperatures of the 18th and 19th centuries were global optimums when in fact they were exceedingly below the normal mean temperature of the planet. ive seen no studies to support man induced global warming that most of the leading geological experts in the world would agree with.

i think most people hear the phrase "global warming" and thanks to Al Gore's brainwashing campaign automatically associate it with a human caused condition. yes, global warming is a fact and it is happening. but, in the greater historical perspective, it is not out of whack with global warming patterns of the past.

around 900-1300 A.D. it was 2 to 4 degrees Celsius warmer than today. was that the beginning of the industrial revolution? of course not.

personally, i dont care which side of the argument anyone falll on. we need deperately to clean up our planet for a myriad of reasons.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by BailOut

rming, but rather how that warming produces climate change. Climate change can manifest in anything from growing deserts in Asia to freak snow storms in the U.S. to stronger hurricanes in the Atlantic.

Climate change can manifest many changes in weather patterns. The Jury is still out about whether or not trace amounts of Carbon Dioxide are capable of affecting the thermal balance of the Earth.

Zagoni, a former Global Warming Supporter, explains a different model discovered by Miskolczi, who resigned from NASA after they rejected his model because it did not support their "agenda".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykgg9m-7FK4

This is a pretty good counterexample, based upon observations seen on Earth and off planet.

I'm really hoping that we can put this myth behind us and get on with newer sources of energy, not 18th century peasant energy. There isn't enough oil to go around, and it's needed for petrochemicals and plastics rather than being squandered on fuel.

Gene