Can't break 40MPG...

[supmet]

Originally Posted by BailOut

*sigh* 2 hours of idling per tank is the national average as published by the NTSB. Just because you don't think you do that (have you ever bothered to measure your idle time?), and/or just because you don't think you see it in your area, doesn't mean that other people don't do it, or that it doesn't happen in lots of other places in the country.

Are you a salesman by trade? ..just out of curiosity. You have an amazing ability to drag me back in with your lack of facts.

I'll believe 2 hours is the average when I see a link - but even if it is, shouldn't a hypermiler being doing far less idling, by avoiding traffic and slowing before lights, waiting for them to turn green?? The average will also include people who warm up their cars which isn't recommended for the yaris.

You continue to ignore the fact that at 7 seconds you are only saving 1/10 of a penny of fuel. Do you truly believe the wear and tear on the engine and transmission(they kind of like circulating fluid), the starter, and the electrical system is less than 1/10 of a penny each time you start a car?

Assuming 7 seconds really is the break even point, this still means at 7 seconds, you saved nothing. 14 seconds you save 1/10th of a penny. 8 or 9 seconds, as you have recommended, will save you 1/35th of a penny. Following your recommendations, I could do this 10 times a day, and end up with 10 dollars at the end of the year. Ignoring wear and tear, is it worth the PITA to save 10 bucks a year?

[mikenacarato]

Originally Posted by supmet

Are you a salesman by trade? ..just out of curiosity. You have an amazing ability to drag me back in with your lack of facts.

I'll believe 2 hours is the average when I see a link - but even if it is, shouldn't a hypermiler being doing far less idling, by avoiding traffic and slowing before lights, waiting for them to turn green?? The average will also include people who warm up their cars which isn't recommended for the yaris.

You continue to ignore the fact that at 7 seconds you are only saving 1/10 of a penny of fuel. Do you truly believe the wear and tear on the engine and transmission(they kind of like circulating fluid), the starter, and the electrical system is less than 1/10 of a penny each time you start a car?

Assuming 7 seconds really is the break even point, this still means at 7 seconds, you saved nothing. 14 seconds you save 1/10th of a penny. 8 or 9 seconds, as you have recommended, will save you 1/35th of a penny. Following your recommendations, I could do this 10 times a day, and end up with 10 dollars at the end of the year. Ignoring wear and tear, is it worth the PITA to save 10 bucks a year?

i thought you said you were done in your previous post......its not nice to go back on your word.
i wish people would cut down on their whining here.


for the record, i am reading this to try and gain something from it but the arguing and bickering is rediculous and making this thread hard to follow.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by mikenacarato

i thought you said you were done in your previous post......its not nice to go back on your word.
i wish people would cut down on their whining here.


for the record, i am reading this to try and gain something from it but the arguing and bickering is rediculous and making this thread hard to follow.

I apologize if this thread is convoluted now, but I see people pass off the 7 second rule all the time here, and I just want a simple answer. Does the wear and tear of shifting in and out of park(for an auto tranny), letting your fluids stop circulating, taxing the battery and alternator, and using the starter, among other things, all cost less than 1/10th of a penny each time you turn your car off and start it? It seems very unlikely to me.

And then I'd like to know if the 10 dollars(by my numbers) or the 40 dollars(by bailouts numbers) a year is worth the risk of increased injury and damage to the car getting rear ended turned off vs in gear and on. Not to mention, if you still had the car on, you could have pulled out of the way instead of getting rear ended.