K&N Filters

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Yeah, let's see who's doing the reaching w/o any info to back it up


Me:



You:

I already said I was the one having to reach since you didn't tell us any information on the car. It have been a 2009 model with 100 miles on it or it could have been a 2000 model with 500,000 miles on it. If it was an older car with more miles on it then there would be a lot more reason why his car was in that condition. If it was a new car with a K&N then your claim might have some backbone to it but since you can't remember, then your claim is useless.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I already said I was the one having to reach since you didn't tell us any information on the car. It have been a 2009 model with 100 miles on it or it could have been a 2000 model with 500,000 miles on it. If it was an older car with more miles on it then there would be a lot more reason why his car was in that condition. If it was a new car with a K&N then your claim might have some backbone to it but since you can't remember, then your claim is useless.

You didn't need to reach, just read what was written. I listed the condition of the car, described the owner, said that there was no engine oil depoits anywhere in the air intake system, that the deposit looked like fresh oil, not the ash deposit I normally see, etc...listed all that, probably why you snipped it again. Stay with the 3%, I'll stick with the other 97%...it's just what you need for your extremely dusty conditions. A UOA might just discover that your over-cleansed K&N is "useless"

[Zaphod]

While undoubtedly true, I wouldn't put too much weight on the percentages you're using, as most people simply don't change their own oil.

To apply a little common sense, if they're not changing their own oil, they're not changing their air filter either. And the people changing it for them aren't going to suggest switching to K&N filters because the time involved with cleaning them would be counter productive.

It's just about money with a consumable like that in this throwaway society. What do they charge you for that, 15$ a filter? And what does that filter cost them, $7? It's all part of the profit margin for the company changing the oil/air filter, not that I have anything against their profit margin.

My point is that those percentages are probably a bit off because the largest percentage of buyers of air filters are service shops.

Myself, I'm going to use a K&N filter for the Yaris as I already use one for the Harley. I've already got the oil for the filters, so it's just one less thing I have to buy when I perform my vehicle maintenance.

[1stToyota]

My 3% might be high? The % of DYIs can't be that much by comparision, and most probably don't get a K&N, probably get a Fram, Wix, etc...

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

My 3% might be high? The % of DYIs can't be that much by comparision, and most probably don't get a K&N, probably get a Fram, Wix, etc...

Nah, I was just saying that people should ignore those percentages, because most people have someone else make the decision for them.

Wix is kind of on the pricey side aren't they? I wouldn't know as they're not even sold at the el cheapo stores by me. I actually prefer Fram for oil filters because of the grip anyway even though I'm told Wix is the best there :)

I do it myself because I want it done right, but I don't want it to be an expensive pain in the ass either.

I ran K&N on my TJ for years and I never had any troubles with it, though I rarely cleaned the intake/throttle body. The worst build up of oil was honestly from the PCV. I actually had to get a pick tool to clean that out (not a valve on the TJ).

Funny story, it's was the same with the Harley too actually. It used to have one of those doofy hyperchargers on it. The rubber fittings on the PCV just fit too loose causing oil to spit out (before I replaced the top end gaskets and rotated the rings correctly).

I think I really want to put one of those PCV filters on the Yaris as described in the DIY section here before I start oiling my filters with engine oil:) I wonder if that would give the dealer an excuse to void the warranty.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Nah, I was just saying that people should ignore those percentages, because most people have someone else make the decision for them.

Wix is kind of on the pricey side aren't they? I wouldn't know as they're not even sold at the el cheapo stores by me. I actually prefer Fram for oil filters because of the grip anyway even though I'm told Wix is the best there :)

I do it myself because I want it done right, but I don't want it to be an expensive pain in the ass either.

I ran K&N on my TJ for years and I never had any troubles with it, though I rarely cleaned the intake/throttle body. The worst build up of oil was honestly from the PCV. I actually had to get a pick tool to clean that out (not a valve on the TJ).

Funny story, it's was the same with the Harley too actually. It used to have one of those doofy hyperchargers on it. The rubber fittings on the PCV just fit too loose causing oil to spit out (before I replaced the top end gaskets and rotated the rings correctly).

I think I really want to put one of those PCV filters on the Yaris as described in the DIY section here before I start oiling my filters with engine oil:) I wonder if that would give the dealer an excuse to void the warranty.

If the people want it bad enough, no matter what it is, they'll get it. Not a big deal either with getting it installed by your local mechanic, or whoever does the service, and cleaning it shouldn't be an issue either; in most cases cleaning will be a couple of years down the road.

And the PCV issue really shouldn't be a big concern...most vents are at the bottom of the airbox, below the air filter, so you'd have to discard the air filter completely, or damage the gasket bad enough to allow it to effect the MAF...or the PCV vents downstream of the MAF near the throttle body.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You didn't need to reach, just read what was written. I listed the condition of the car, described the owner, said that there was no engine oil depoits anywhere in the air intake system, that the deposit looked like fresh oil, not the ash deposit I normally see, etc...listed all that, probably why you snipped it again. Stay with the 3%, I'll stick with the other 97%...it's just what you need for your extremely dusty conditions. A UOA might just discover that your over-cleansed K&N is "useless"

When you go to a dealer or any other shop for any type of service what is the first thing that they always ask??? They always ask how many miles are on it. So I don't care if you found Bin Laden in the air box, how many miles that are on this car or any other car that is having problems is very important.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

When you go to a dealer or any other shop for any type of service what is the first thing that they always ask??? They always ask how many miles are on it. So I don't care if you found Bin Laden in the air box, how many miles that are on this car or any other car that is having problems is very important.

Wrong. They ask for symtoms, and get customer info. And it could have had a million miles on it but if the entire intake system is free of engine oil and carbon buildup, but MAF sensor is covered in fresh goo, with brand new oiled filter upstream about 3", not too hard to figure out.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Wrong. They ask for symtoms, and get customer info. And it could have had a million miles on it but if the entire intake system is free of engine oil and carbon buildup, but MAF sensor is covered in fresh goo, with brand new oiled filter upstream about 3", not too hard to figure out.

Yes you are wrong.....They ask for the miles to determine if it is going to be under warranty or not. How are they going to know if the service they are preforming will be paid for by the customer or by Toyoya?? I guess in your case it must be Magic!!!!

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Yes you are wrong.....They ask for the miles to determine if it is going to be under warranty or not. How are they going to know if the service they are preforming will be paid for by the customer or by Toyoya?? I guess in your case it must be Magic!!!!

Yes, your Yoga stretching classes are back in business. Why do you need to pretend that every mechanic and service department assumes that it might be warranty work? The first question isn't for the mileage, fool...it's symptom and customer info.

Hi. Hickman here. I'll be your service manager today. What's that mileage, sir? Your oil change might not be under warranty. LOL!

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Yes, your Yoga stretching classes are back in business. Why do you need to pretend that every mechanic and service department assumes that it might be warranty work? The first question isn't for the mileage, fool...it's symptom and customer info.

Hi. Hickman here. I'll be your service manager today. What's that mileage, sir? Your oil change might not be under warranty. LOL!

So they never ask for mileage??? Business must be slow at your shop!