K&N Filters

[1stToyota]

[QUOTE=b_hickman11;353332]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

that wasn't even done on the Yaris.

Never said it was. My point was about them losing HP on a product that has a sales pitch for increased HP

Did I have ever find the proof to back up their claim? I'm not the one who has a problem with it.

Neither do I. I love how you're the fanboi who's either unwilling or unable to find proof that they do testing on every application to back their increased HP sales pitch that's on every air filter box.

Once again, they are a big company and you are 1 person. No one cares about your beef with K&N's boxes.

Except the slurper that was owned enough to admit that I'm controlling them on their vacation.

ps Why do you think other companies sell more filters than K&N?

Because Toyota won't install K&N on their vehicles even 1% of the time?

[b_hickman11]

[QUOTE=1stToyota;353354]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Never said it was. My point was about them losing HP on a product that has a sales pitch for increased HP




Neither do I. I love how you're the fanboi who's either unwilling or unable to find proof that they do testing on every application to back their increased HP sales pitch that's on every air filter box.




Except the slurper that was owned enough to admit that I'm controlling them on their vacation.



Because Toyota won't install K&N on their vehicles even 1% of the time?

Losing HP? What was the weather like when you got those test results? And once again, I’m not the one that has a problem with their claim. I have not said it was true. I have not said it was false. So I need proof to show what? You said it was false but have no proof. You think that I’m a big company?? Wow, you really do need help. Maybe you are working too much. You need a vacation. I got plenty of time I could give you.

Why do you think Wix sells more filters than K&N?

[1stToyota]

[QUOTE=b_hickman11;353395]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Losing HP? What was the weather like when you got those test results? And once again, I’m not the one that has a problem with their claim. I have not said it was true. I have not said it was false. So I need proof to show what? You said it was false but have no proof. You think that I’m a big company?? Wow, you really do need help. Maybe you are working too much. You need a vacation. I got plenty of time I could give you.

Why do you think Wix sells more filters than K&N?

I don't have a problem at all with you, or anybody else for that matter , for being unable and/or unwilling to provide proof that K&N tests every single one of their applications to see if the so-called HP increase is actually true.

Why does Toyota still choose not to use K&N so often?

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"Well I am in the middle of my annual 2 1/2 month vacation and I have nothing better to do at this moment"

WOW!! You're really letting me control your vacation time? PWNED!!

[b_hickman11]

[QUOTE=1stToyota;353398]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I don't have a problem at all with you, or anybody else for that matter , for being unable and/or unwilling to provide proof that K&N tests every single one of their applications to see if the so-called HP increase is actually true.

Why does Toyota still choose not to use K&N so often?

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"Well I am in the middle of my annual 2 1/2 month vacation and I have nothing better to do at this moment"

WOW!! You're really letting me control your vacation time? PWNED!!

You already asked that question a few pages back and I already gave you an answer. Why do you ignore my questions? Have I stumped God?

Why does FRAM sell more filters than K&N?

[1stToyota]

[QUOTE=b_hickman11;353400]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You already asked that question a few pages back and I already gave you an answer. Why do you ignore my questions? Have I stumped God?

Why does FRAM sell more filters than K&N?

Sure, we all see the point that you're trying to make about K&N's 1% spot, and how you'd like to use this little thread as an example...from recent postings: Service departments not wanting to mess with drippy filters, concerns over sensors and dust, HP loss on the dyno, big power loss due to datastream info that's way below specs, damaged motorcycle engines, poor results on UOA, former K&N buyers going back to paper, "filtration" problems, K&N supporter stating that even he wouldn't use a K&N with very dirty/dusty conditions, auto makers not getting too excited about non-paper filters, etc... hey, maybe they could try throwing in an extra sticker or two.

btw, It's a tie @ 63 postings each, so far...feel free to pull way ahead, since you're on vacation and real bored. LOL!

[b_hickman11]

[QUOTE=1stToyota;353779]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Sure, we all see the point that you're trying to make about K&N's 1% spot, and how you'd like to use this little thread as an example...from recent postings: Service departments not wanting to mess with drippy filters, concerns over sensors and dust, HP loss on the dyno, big power loss due to datastream info that's way below specs, damaged motorcycle engines, poor results on UOA, former K&N buyers going back to paper, "filtration" problems, K&N supporter stating that even he wouldn't use a K&N with very dirty/dusty conditions, auto makers not getting too excited about non-paper filters, etc... hey, maybe they could try throwing in an extra sticker or two.

btw, It's a tie @ 63 postings each, so far...feel free to pull way ahead, since you're on vacation and real bored. LOL!

OK let me dumb down the question and then see if we can get an answer.

Why do sales reports at auto parts stores show other filter companies such as Wix and Fram, selling more filters than K&N during 1 year?

p.s. Fram, STP, and Purolator all have claims on their boxes that their filters will increase MPG and maximize performance. But there is no proof on the box, just like K&N.

Another question about the K&N claim. When they say "Increase horsepower and acceleration," what do you think they are basing that on. Does it say, "compared to stock setup" or does it say "compared to a dirty air filter"? No it doesn't say either one. It's an opened ended claim. So when you read it, you are probably thinking about the stock setup and maybe they are talking about a dirty air filter.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

me dumb

Guess so.

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"Well I am in the middle of my annual 2 1/2 month vacation and I have nothing better to do at this moment"

WOW!! You're really letting me control your vacation time? PWNED!!

Why do sales reports at auto parts stores show other filter companies such as Wix and Fram, selling more filters than K&N during 1 year?

+1



Great idea...surprised that I didn't think of that first. Never tried it, but if one were to go to...say...WalMart, the mall for a day, or any place with lots of traffic and ask young & old, male & female, ask them if they know what filter they use, maybe 90+% of the time they won't say K&N?

Another question about the K&N claim. When they say "Increase horsepower and acceleration," what.

Just yesterday you kept stressing that the so-called claims meant nothing to you...thanks for letting me change your view so quickly.

[bearda]

A K&N supporter could always claim that FRAM sells more filters because one K&N per car is all you ever need...

[1stToyota]

[QUOTE=b_hickman11;353888]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

OK let me dumb down the question and then see if we can get an answer.

Why do sales reports at auto parts stores show other filter companies such as Wix and Fram, selling more filters than K&N during 1 year?

p.s. Fram, STP, and Purolator all have claims on their boxes that their filters will increase MPG and maximize performance. But there is no proof on the box, just like K&N.

Another question about the K&N claim. When they say "Increase horsepower and acceleration," what do you think they are basing that on. Does it say, "compared to stock setup" or does it say "compared to a dirty air filter"? No it doesn't say either one. It's an opened ended claim. So when you read it, you are probably thinking about the stock setup and maybe they are talking about a dirty air filter.

See, I just snipped, I didn't forge, and I sure didn't lie and try to make you out to be some kind of pedo.