NST (NonStopTuning) Short Shift Kit Info, Specs, User Data...

[nickav21]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually give the NST SSK a BAD review. I ordered the SSK and shifter cable bushings at the same time (easier to install both at once!). I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE the shifter cable bushings. They really tightened up the shifts a whole lot more than I expected.

However, the SSK is a GREAT idea that was poorly implemented. What I mean is that the actual part they send you works perfectly and is pretty easy to install (takes a little elbow grease). The kit does not include a cable relocation plate, though. The cable is at such an angle that it makes installation more difficult, shifting MUCH harder (really takes some umph to get the car into/out of gear), and it seems as if putting the cable at such a dramatic angle would cause damage over time, for it's obviously not meant to bend like that.

I put the shifter in yesterday and after a pretty full day's worth of driving I'm uninstalling it and selling it. I'd love to make a bracket myself, but I'm a college student working an internship and therefore have zero free time. I'm going to try out the TWM in-car shift lever (it makes the shifter shorter height-wise which is something I REALLY want too! - yeah, I know this will mean more difficulty shifting due to leverage reduction, but it CAN'T be worse than it is now) and see how I like it. No offense to NST (you make a good product!), I just feel like a cable relocation bracket is a necessary addition to your kit.

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by nickav21

I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually give the NST SSK a BAD review. I ordered the SSK and shifter cable bushings at the same time (easier to install both at once!). I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE the shifter cable bushings. They really tightened up the shifts a whole lot more than I expected.

However, the SSK is a GREAT idea that was poorly implemented. What I mean is that the actual part they send you works perfectly and is pretty easy to install (takes a little elbow grease). The kit does not include a cable relocation plate, though. The cable is at such an angle that it makes installation more difficult, shifting MUCH harder (really takes some umph to get the car into/out of gear), and it seems as if putting the cable at such a dramatic angle would cause damage over time, for it's obviously not meant to bend like that.

I put the shifter in yesterday and after a pretty full day's worth of driving I'm uninstalling it and selling it. I'd love to make a bracket myself, but I'm a college student working an internship and therefore have zero free time. I'm going to try out the TWM in-car shift lever (it makes the shifter shorter height-wise which is something I REALLY want too! - yeah, I know this will mean more difficulty shifting due to leverage reduction, but it CAN'T be worse than it is now) and see how I like it. No offense to NST (you make a good product!), I just feel like a cable relocation bracket is a necessary addition to your kit.

Well, since you're a college student, you should know that you cannot reduce the travel without increasing the force, come on, it's simple physics. No matter where the reduction is, whether in the engine bay or shift lever, you will need MORE force to shift.

[nickav21]

Originally Posted by fmicle

Well, since you're a college student, you should know that you cannot reduce the travel without increasing the force, come on, it's simple physics. No matter where the reduction is, whether in the engine bay or shift lever, you will need MORE force to shift.

I already acknowledged that. I accept that I'm going to face some more energy needed to shift, but that energy should come from the leverage (physics) aspect, not the poor design that puts the shifter cable at a terrible angle (something that could be resolved by raising the cable up an inch along with raising the connection up an inch).

I drove a friend's yaris the other day with the TWM shifter only, and I gotta say, TWM really got it right. Shifts are shorter (and more difficult due to LEVERAGE, not poor connection angles), and I'm not worried about bending my shifter cable out of whack. Not to put down NST, for all the other products I've tried from them (cable bushings, cage bushings) are quite amazing! Enough ranting, it's time for breakfast!

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by nickav21

I already acknowledged that. I accept that I'm going to face some more energy needed to shift, but that energy should come from the leverage (physics) aspect, not the poor design that puts the shifter cable at a terrible angle (something that could be resolved by raising the cable up an inch along with raising the connection up an inch).

I drove a friend's yaris the other day with the TWM shifter only, and I gotta say, TWM really got it right. Shifts are shorter (and more difficult due to LEVERAGE, not poor connection angles), and I'm not worried about bending my shifter cable out of whack. Not to put down NST, for all the other products I've tried from them (cable bushings, cage bushings) are quite amazing! Enough ranting, it's time for breakfast!

I really don't think the angle is that bad, I checked mine again, after you mentioned it and I don't think it's more than 15 degrees from the stock connection...

[NonStopTuning]

Originally Posted by fmicle

I really don't think the angle is that bad, I checked mine again, after you mentioned it and I don't think it's more than 15 degrees from the stock connection...

Glad you like your NST SSK sir. Thank you for the kind words.

[CASTREX]

Originally Posted by nickav21

I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually give the NST SSK a BAD review. I ordered the SSK and shifter cable bushings at the same time (easier to install both at once!). I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE the shifter cable bushings. They really tightened up the shifts a whole lot more than I expected.

However, the SSK is a GREAT idea that was poorly implemented. What I mean is that the actual part they send you works perfectly and is pretty easy to install (takes a little elbow grease). The kit does not include a cable relocation plate, though. The cable is at such an angle that it makes installation more difficult, shifting MUCH harder (really takes some umph to get the car into/out of gear), and it seems as if putting the cable at such a dramatic angle would cause damage over time, for it's obviously not meant to bend like that.

I put the shifter in yesterday and after a pretty full day's worth of driving I'm uninstalling it and selling it. I'd love to make a bracket myself, but I'm a college student working an internship and therefore have zero free time. I'm going to try out the TWM in-car shift lever (it makes the shifter shorter height-wise which is something I REALLY want too! - yeah, I know this will mean more difficulty shifting due to leverage reduction, but it CAN'T be worse than it is now) and see how I like it. No offense to NST (you make a good product!), I just feel like a cable relocation bracket is a necessary addition to your kit.

Hard shifting is a common complaint when installing the metal bushing kits...
But in my case the fix was just as easy as some WD-40 on the bushings and ssk pin...
After some lubrication the gears went in and out like butter..! I was amazed of the change....

You can try the SSk with the OE rubber bushings and you will see that it shouldn't take any extra effort to move in and out of gears.

Regarding the TWM kit... I actually had that kit on my car and change it for the NST kit. I don't recomedn the TWM unless you have Really long and strong arms.
It puts the knob a little to low and hard to reach. Gears with the TWM do take extra effort... at first is funny but it gets tire really quick.

[eTiMaGo]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

Regarding the TWM kit... I actually had that kit on my car and change it for the NST kit. I don't recomedn the TWM unless you have Really long and strong arms.
It puts the knob a little to low and hard to reach. Gears with the TWM do take extra effort... at first is funny but it gets tire really quick.

Or get some bucket/sport seats that sit lower, then it's a perfect match

But really, the NST cable bushings, I didn't think they could really make that much of a difference, but wow... clunk-clunk-clunk smoothly into each gear, I love it!