AWESOME! Safe and fun drive in REAL snow in Massachusetts

[yannis-b]

Basically I think that VSC just reduces the power engine and applies the brakes when you start skiding, something you can do yourself anyway :p It costs £700 to have VSC in the UK hence I only went for the protection pack.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by yannis-b

applies the brakes when you start skiding, something you can do yourself anyway :p

Half true... VSC applies brakes to individual wheels, something you can't do.

[stouffer]

Originally Posted by yannis-b

Basically I think that VSC just reduces the power engine and applies the brakes when you start skiding, something you can do yourself anyway :p It costs £700 to have VSC in the UK hence I only went for the protection pack.

Good luck with that one!!

Proper driving technique is useless when in ice or snow with no traction.
Stability control will intervene before even the most skilled driver has realised what has gone on.

How Effective is Stability Control...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3m24bjkfg0

[supmet]

Originally Posted by PK198105

good luck with that one, if you spend as much time as i do on the road you will quickly learn that ABS and TSC is useless

VSC makes corrections that are IMPOSSIBLE to make with human input, so driver skill is a completely moot point.

As for ABS, in fresh loose snow you may be able to stop 5-10 feet faster, but you still have absolutely no control while braking. I'll still take ABS in rain/sleet/snow/ice or in dry weather.

btw, my yaris doesn't have either.

[127.0.0.1]

Originally Posted by supmet

VSC makes corrections that are IMPOSSIBLE to make with human input, so driver skill is a completely moot point.

As for ABS, in fresh loose snow you may be able to stop 5-10 feet faster, but you still have absolutely no control while braking. I'll still take ABS in rain/sleet/snow/ice or in dry weather.

btw, my yaris doesn't have either.

MY point for this whole thread was...

I heard a lot about how 'poor' the Yaris is in snow. I got one, and was worried "Hmm, did I get a car that is somehow hard to drive in winter ?"

the answer is negative. it is as capable as ANY front wheel drive car.
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also

TRAC helps a lot in winter. VSC doesn't do crap for you in winter (I am sure it does something but I have yet to get an open parking lot to test all it's functions...). when VSC activates it beeps. VSC doesn't activate on highway lane changes in slush from what I seen (if it did I would already be wrapped around a tree). and it beeps all over the place when you have the Yaris already sideways from driving it incorrectly, but doesn't do much to regain control on ice. What VSC will do is prevent or assist 'over correction' in an emergency maneuver. I guess it would help if you are slightly out of whack on an icy ramp, but all bets are off.

VSC real benefit is dry pavement emergency assist

[supmet]

Originally Posted by PK198105

I love how you know so much about me and assume you know what i know or dont know. VCS is another crutch designed for the masses. And on our car it is useless. Btw i never said i was a good driver, im sure i still have tons of things to learn, buit what i did learn from experience is that there is no need for all these systems if you simply pay attention to your driving. And between you and me i think ive seen more snow than you so please keep your flames to yourself. As for being arrogant , im not sure you're the person to talk...

99.9% ad hominem... lol

I realize I do the same, but there is no substance to your argument, just "flaming"