15" Konig Heliums+tire weight info

[CASTREX]

The heliums are 6.5" wide.

It's weird because 205 tires should be a perfect match for this size of rim. I dunno if it has to do annything with the tires being ZR or something like that. I tought 205 will always be 205 no matter the brand or kind of tire you are using.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Nimble]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

The heliums are 6.5" wide.

It's weird because 205 tires should be a perfect match for this size of rim. I dunno if it has to do annything with the tires being ZR or something like that. I tought 205 will always be 205 no matter the brand or kind of tire you are using.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The reason is simple. Race tires like the Hankook 212's or Falken Azenis run REALLY wide. Technically yes, a 205 tire should be ok on a 7" wide wheel, but I come from the BMW camp, where you run the BEST size for that width of wheel. Examples:

8'5" wheel 245/255 max
8" wheel 235
7.5" wheel 215/225 max
7" wheel 205
6.5" wheel 195
6" wheel 185
etc etc

Problem is you have every mustang/camaro owner telling you.."Dude I run 275 Nitto's with 8" wide wheels and it's fine." And in reality his car handles like crap (Not that domestic owners care).

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by Nimble

The reason is simple. Race tires like the Hankook 212's or Falken Azenis run REALLY wide. Technically yes, a 205 tire should be ok on a 7" wide wheel, but I come from the BMW camp, where you run the BEST size for that width of wheel. Examples:

8'5" wheel 245/255 max
8" wheel 235
7.5" wheel 215/225 max
7" wheel 205
6.5" wheel 195
6" wheel 185
etc etc

Problem is you have every mustang/camaro owner telling you.."Dude I run 275 Nitto's with 8" wide wheels and it's fine." And in reality his car handles like crap (Not that domestic owners care).

Thats not 100% correct. Each tire manufacturer measures width a bit different. A 315 Nitto is as wide as a 295 BFG,Goodyear or Kumho tire. There is no real measurment standard. Your "best sizing" list is fine for certain cases, but for AWD cars, or heavier cars you will be better off going a bit wider as long as you have the correct offset and clearance.

Too narrow or too wide of a tire on a given rim is not good for handling. I would rather be on the wide side than the narrow side. The streched sidewall deal that people like right now is horrible for handling.

Ashley

[OK Yaris]

Just for reference, here's some photos of my Yaris with stock Bridgestones
(185/60R15) on 15" Heliums. I might go a little wider after I wear out these tires..............Mike

[Nimble]

Originally Posted by OK Yaris

Just for reference, here's some photos of my Yaris with stock Bridgestones
(185/60R15) on 15" Heliums. I might go a little wider after I wear out these tires..............Mike

Those look really nice. When those wear out, you might try a 195/55 15 to get some more rubber on the road, not be too wide for 6.5" wide wheels, keep weight down, and keep gas mileage in check (by minimizing rolling resistance).

It amazes me how much "sportier" those 185/60's look when placed on a correct wheel width and a farther out offset, I'm sure it makes them stick better too, less deflection because the wheel is wider to better hold the tire in place.

[Nimble]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

Thats not 100% correct. Each tire manufacturer measures width a bit different. A 315 Nitto is as wide as a 295 BFG,Goodyear or Kumho tire. There is no real measurment standard. Your "best sizing" list is fine for certain cases, but for AWD cars, or heavier cars you will be better off going a bit wider as long as you have the correct offset and clearance.

Too narrow or too wide of a tire on a given rim is not good for handling. I would rather be on the wide side than the narrow side. The streched sidewall deal that people like right now is horrible for handling.

Ashley

That's also not 100% correct. Too narrow (within reason) will almost always perform better than too wide. A 275 on a 8" wheel will deflect a lot in turns, whereas a 225, a bit too narrow won't budge in a turn.

While I see that you like to try and correct me. I have owned and raced 7 BMW's and a few were ///M cars, I understand handling and tires more than I could type in a paragraph. I used to do the rolling diameter calculations just for the heck of it with the formula memorized. Sure a 245 Kumho MX or Bridgestone S-03 will run wider than say a Dunlop SP Sport 9000 or Kumho Exsta Supra 712, but my above recommendations are damn close to spot on.

I realize you're a domestic owner at heart, and I...well...hate the damn cars, barring the Vettes, a car that can actually perform ALL AROUND well, and not be built like poo. But there's no need to argue with me on common sense things. A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling. And no, I don't run euro stretched tires, just CORRECT for the wheel, that's all.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by Nimble

A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling.

maybe Autox is a different animal.

but I've pulled better times with my 275/40 on a 8" wheel then i did with a 245/45 on an 8.5"

same car just different wheels/tires

and the 275s were more worn.

I understand that Proper size is key to optimal handling but stating that it will "ALWAYS" perform better isn't true.

the 275 on an 8" wheel isn't ideal but when restricted to 8" for either $$ or class purposes it's better than a small tire (assuming it doesn't cause any other adverse effects of rubbing, breaking things, not heating up enough yada yada) (when talking about autox).

i refer to Autox b/c that's what I know, i'm not a road racer (yet ;) ).

[largeorangefont]

Originally Posted by Nimble

That's also not 100% correct. Too narrow (within reason) will almost always perform better than too wide. A 275 on a 8" wheel will deflect a lot in turns, whereas a 225, a bit too narrow won't budge in a turn.

While I see that you like to try and correct me. I have owned and raced 7 BMW's and a few were ///M cars, I understand handling and tires more than I could type in a paragraph. I used to do the rolling diameter calculations just for the heck of it with the formula memorized. Sure a 245 Kumho MX or Bridgestone S-03 will run wider than say a Dunlop SP Sport 9000 or Kumho Exsta Supra 712, but my above recommendations are damn close to spot on.

I realize you're a domestic owner at heart, and I...well...hate the damn cars, barring the Vettes, a car that can actually perform ALL AROUND well, and not be built like poo. But there's no need to argue with me on common sense things. A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling. And no, I don't run euro stretched tires, just CORRECT for the wheel, that's all.

Russelt3hpirate is absolutely correct. There is no "absolute" answer here. Saying a 245 will always perform better than a 265 is just incorrect. I have seen and experienced many times that wider is generally better within acceptable limits. There is a correct range of tire for a given rim.

Your sizing list is accurate, but by no means is it the end all be all when performance is concerned. You can go wider with success if you have the ability to do so. Do you need go to the absolute limit on a Yaris for maximum performance? Probably not.

What you have owned and raced are irrelevant to this topic as are rollout calculations you have memorized. No offense, but just because you have driven a BMW around a track dosen't mean you are any good at it, or that you are some supreme source of automotive knowledge. If you are wrong, you are wrong.

Ashley

[Black Yaris]

Originally Posted by Nimble

That's also not 100% correct. Too narrow (within reason) will almost always perform better than too wide. A 275 on a 8" wheel will deflect a lot in turns, whereas a 225, a bit too narrow won't budge in a turn.

While I see that you like to try and correct me. I have owned and raced 7 BMW's and a few were ///M cars, I understand handling and tires more than I could type in a paragraph. I used to do the rolling diameter calculations just for the heck of it with the formula memorized. Sure a 245 Kumho MX or Bridgestone S-03 will run wider than say a Dunlop SP Sport 9000 or Kumho Exsta Supra 712, but my above recommendations are damn close to spot on.

I realize you're a domestic owner at heart, and I...well...hate the damn cars, barring the Vettes, a car that can actually perform ALL AROUND well, and not be built like poo. But there's no need to argue with me on common sense things. A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling. And no, I don't run euro stretched tires, just CORRECT for the wheel, that's all.

Let me hit some of that good shit you are smokin.
I have been doing tires since the day I turned 18, and I can state fact and back it up to disprove everything you have stated above....
let me hit that good shit one more time

BTW... I geuss you think my 225/50VR15 handle and preform like crap because they are "too wide" for the wheel and skinnier is better.... I can out corner a stock yaris all day everyday

[Nimble]

Originally Posted by largeorangefont

Thats not 100% correct. Each tire manufacturer measures width a bit different. A 315 Nitto is as wide as a 295 BFG,Goodyear or Kumho tire. There is no real measurment standard. Your "best sizing" list is fine for certain cases, but for AWD cars, or heavier cars you will be better off going a bit wider as long as you have the correct offset and clearance.

Too narrow or too wide of a tire on a given rim is not good for handling. I would rather be on the wide side than the narrow side. The streched sidewall deal that people like right now is horrible for handling.

Ashley

I felt the need to quote you to make you look like a tool, ASHLEY.

Here's what you quoted of me, but yet your second sentence sure doesn't make ANY sense when looking at what I typed. Retard.

Originally Posted by Nimble

The reason is simple. Race tires like the Hankook 212's or Falken Azenis run REALLY wide. Technically yes, a 205 tire should be ok on a 7" wide wheel, but I come from the BMW camp, where you run the BEST size for that width of wheel. Examples:

8'5" wheel 245/255 max
8" wheel 235
7.5" wheel 215/225 max
7" wheel 205
6.5" wheel 195
6" wheel 185
etc etc

Problem is you have every mustang/camaro owner telling you.."Dude I run 275 Nitto's with 8" wide wheels and it's fine." And in reality his car handles like crap (Not that domestic owners care).

[Russelt3hPirate]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

actual section width is based on wheel width and the tire itself (should be consistent through out the model in a given size).

go on tire rack and look up the "specs" of some tires you'll see the differences, it is more dependent on the "style" (max performance vs. all seasons) then it is speed rating (although most max performance tires have a higher speed rating).

and the # posted on the tire is rarely "exactly" what the actual tire you have on your wheel is.