Toyota sandbagging the Yaris

[why?]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

You can do the same with a van or minivan that gets better mileage and and safer for the environment...that is what I am getting at...these days status says that you should not have a minivan...stupid. As for all the stuff you mentioned, sure you can do all that with an SUV and if you were to do that it would be a great justification, but I cannot count on both hands how many people I know personally that just do the following with their SUV:

1) Drive back and forth in town for work which even during the winter here NEVER would require an SUV...no car pooling
2) Drop kids off at school with only their book bag and perhaps a small duffel for sporting stuff...just their kids...no kid pooling
3) Drive to get groceries
4) Drive to the local small race track

getting the picture? SUVs are like anything else...they have their place and I agree with that however for the knuckleheads that do only things similar to what I listed above...shakes head, that's all I will say. I could list 6 families right now off the top of my head that the parents and the kids say that having an SUV is a must just to keep up with fashionable times and status...very sad really.

People who do anything at all for status are just complete fools and should be ignored. And minivans are too small imo, conversion vans are awesome.

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Firstly, the above-drawn chart is backwards. It's going to cost you LESS, if you get better mileage - that's just common sense!
And yes, if you are on a single-lane highway, with no way for people to safely pass you, you ARE a problem. Get the fuck off the road, or flow with traffic. That doesn't mean do 10-20mph over - Most everywhere I've driven, 6mph (about 10kph) is the accepted flow of traffic. Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch. Then you'll feel like a HUGE idiot when the three bucks you saved on gas, is now costing you thousands in body repairs and insurance deductibles. Also, if you think telling the cop at the scene of the accident - assuming you live - that he cut you off, unless you've got video proof, your word means sweet fuck-all. It's called a "vested interest", and is absolutely meaningless in court. OR - someone hanging off your ass has now plowed you into a concrete pillar at 70mph. Congratulations! You were in your right to drive at the speed limit - dead right!
Where there is place for someone to pass me, I allow them the opportunity, and flow at the speed limit. Otherwise, I do 10kph over, and the traffic flows nicely (and rarely does anyone hang off my ass).
To me, the fuel costs over a year is about $50. Time is also worth something to alot of people, don't discount that. If I were truly concerned about saving cash, I'd skip the once-or-twice-monthly outings to the bars, which usually end up costing me $60-100.
I'll add, I usually do drive fairly easy, but that's mostly got to do with not wanting to break shit prematurely on my Yaris, the car falls apart on its own.

First, the chart is completely 100% correct in every way possible. If you actually took the time to exam it, instead of ignoring and assuming, you would realize that.

If you are going the posted speed limit, you are never the problem. Sorry, but just because everyone decides they can ignore a law doesn't mean the law is not valid. I don't let people bully me in person, and I certainly wouldn't on the road. Brake checking people is fun, especially morons on motorcycles.

And btw, it is a speed limit, not a speed suggestion, meaning you are able to go slower if you choose, and that is a-ok.

And that bs about a dangerous situation is just that, bs. Sorry but if someone else does something stupid around me it is not my fault. It is theirs, and I hope it gets them killed so they don't go and injure someone else with their stupidity.

If you are a safe driver, then no one will be able to cut you off to the extent where you are forced off the road. That is idiocy at the highest level to think that.

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

And now with most police arresting people for agressive driving, people will think twice about doing something stupid.

So sorry, you couldn't be more wrong in what you said.

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by firemachine69

Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch.

You can go the speed limit, or even a little slower, without cutting people off.

Originally Posted by why?

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

I have to agree with you on the slowing down, but please don't brake check people. It might cause an accident.

[mryaris]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

I have to agree with you on the slowing down, but please don't brake check people. It might cause an accident.

I agree. You cannot call yourself a safe & responsible driver if you 'brake check' people. In a way, it makes you a worse driver than the person tailgating you because you are intentionally trying to cause harm to them.