Something that just PISSES me off...

[tk-421]

Originally Posted by sleey0

I am not a big believer in ethanol saving the environment or doing shit really.

I agree, at least as far as corn ethanol, which is definitely NOT the answer to our environmental troubles. Corn should be exclusively grown for food. Using it for anything else removes the balance between food availability and demand, hence making corn more expensive for everyone else.

Not to mention that ethanol is not that efficient anyway. You need a lot of corn to make a little ethanol.

All it does it hurt your engine in the long run.

This I'm not so sure about. Do you have some info you'd like to share on the subject?

[Astroman]

They did that here too.

[fnkngrv]

Originally Posted by tk-421

This I'm not so sure about. Do you have some info you'd like to share on the subject?

I am not sure if the seals were bad from the factory with the situation or not, but here in northern Maine the gas has 15% ethanol. There is a lady that I go through for picture frames and she has an 05 Camry. Last November her engine seized. After it was investigated locally they apparently sent the concerned parts to Toyota corporate and after several weeks they came back stating that they would not warranty her engine being replaced due to the fact that ethanol was the cause for the failure. Toyota specifically states in their documentation with the car that you are actually to use only 100% gasoline fuel...no ethanol is allowed for warranty purposes. She is an older lady and her car had 43k on it. I worry about ethanol myself. I have gotten into conversations with a few people about it and they try to compare it to using unleaded fuel in an older motor that was built for leaded fuel...to me not an apples to apples comparison, but I guess that is a debate for another day.

[Darb]

Originally Posted by tk-421

Not to mention that ethanol is not that efficient anyway. You need a lot of corn to make a little ethanol.

The primary issue is that the amount of petroleum products used to make fertilizer (via Haber-bosch process) for cornfields grossly outweighs the amount of petroleum saved using ethanol.

Personally, I won't be completely happy until we have an improved infrastructure for all-electric cars and a bigger shift away from coal-fueled power plants.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by Darb

The primary issue is that the amount of petroleum products used to make fertilizer (via Haber-bosch process) for cornfields grossly outweighs the amount of petroleum saved using ethanol.

Personally, I won't be completely happy until we have an improved infrastructure for all-electric cars and a bigger shift away from coal-fueled power plants.

I agree....but how would you do that? It takes too long to recharge a car and if you are on a long trip, it wouldn't be practical. Also, 95% of the fleet in the US is fossil fuel. It would take 10 to 15 years to refresh that fleet with electric.