Fuel Economy

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by why?

Washington DC's metro is phenomenal.

I lived in the DC area for a few years. The metro is good if you live nearby and you work in areas where it runs. I didn't get my driver's license until my mid 20s and I relied on public transit to get around everywhere. WMATA's buses aren't that great. The lines I took ran every 30 min to an hour and these were major bus lines. On the other hand, it did run every 15-20 min during commuting hours but if you wanted to get anywhere it took time. Nothing like NYC's subway.

[why?]

Originally Posted by KrazyDawg

I lived in the DC area for a few years. The metro is good if you live nearby and you work in areas where it runs. I didn't get my driver's license until my mid 20s and I relied on public transit to get around everywhere. WMATA's buses aren't that great. The lines I took ran every 30 min to an hour and these were major bus lines. On the other hand, it did run every 15-20 min during commuting hours but if you wanted to get anywhere it took time. Nothing like NYC's subway.

yea, but I don't think I would want to take one of those busses. To do busses right you'd need millions of people willing to use them. London's bus system is pretty sweet, but I'd hate to see the cost, and every bus I went on had at least a dozen people on them.

[North Star]

1st tank

560km - 40L

Mostly highway.

[TLyttle]

nmgolfer's idea that Canucks have a free ride as far as commuting is concerned isn't quite right. We DO have high-traffic areas, not as many as the US, but they are there, as are the commute time numbers. If I was forced to give away 3 hours of my life EVERY DAY to commuting, it simply would not happen. Going to where the "work" is becomes a lame excuse IMHO. I would rather "learn" to shovel manure on a local farm than give away such a large part of my day!

Everyone looks at their "investment" in education, and how it would be a waste if not used. Not true. The waste is in throwing away 3 eight-hour days per week to commuting. Why is it so hard for people to recognise why they are here? Is it to jeopardise one's life in the daily suicide race? Gee, I don't think so...

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Everyone looks at their "investment" in education, and how it would be a waste if not used. Not true. The waste is in throwing away 3 eight-hour days per week to commuting. Why is it so hard for people to recognise why they are here? Is it to jeopardise one's life in the daily suicide race? Gee, I don't think so...

That's what I'm doing right now. Commuting 135 miles a day which takes over 3 hours. I'm working full-time while attending school full-time and also supporting a family.

[TLyttle]

So, is that 3 hours one way? In the SF area, that sounds about right, so you are donating 6 unproductive hours to what?? It doesn't go to your education, your job, or your family... Oh, dear...

[why?]

just to chime in, I drove from florida to mass, and I averaged 38 mpg for the 1300 mile trip.

For some reason the fill ups from the northern states gave me better mileage than the southern states did.

[TLyttle]

I've been called lots of things, Canuck doesn't bother me a bit. As a Canuck, I have travelled in the US and Europe without penalty, unlike some Americans I have met. The US has people travelling who should stay at home: somehow, they think that yelling at someone will help them understand English better! I've also met Americans here who think they are still in the US, and that US currency is to be treated the same as Canadian currency, and get REALLY huffy when they are told otherwise. Personally, I think it has to do with the parochial education system there...

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by YesYaris

If that is your opinion I have to wonder if you've ever been to Vancouver. Are you aware that Vancouver's downtown eastside is one of the poorest and high crime areas of North America? The amount of violence in the DES trumps many impoverished areas of plenty of North American cities -- combined.

If that wasn't bad enough, Vancouver's suburb of Surrey has a district known as Whalley that has almost as bad of a reputation as the downtown east side. Drugs, combined with gang turf wars and murders, have defined Vancouver's image and created a major issue for media relations during the run up to the 2010 Olympic games.

Anyways, Canadian cities are built with more public transit planning in mind and the Canadian culture, for the most part, does not lend itself to extremely long commuter networks. Toronto, however, is a exception as its commuter network extends to the sorts of distances common in many (albeit much, much smaller) American cities. Canadians love their inner cities and despite normal struggles they are still safe places to live. Even in Vancouver's case, the inner city continues to be very desirable.

PS...calling someone a "Canuck" with a hint of arrogance is no different than if someone were to condescendingly refer to you as a "Greengo" or a "Yank." I think most people on this board are well above that sort of condescending attitude, wouldn't you agree?

Yes... I've been to Vancouver many times. You seem to contradict yourself. First you seem to claim Vancouver is the arm pit of north america then in the next sentence you say Canadian inner cities are safe places to live (which is something Americans will never know since we cannot immigrate there unless we marry in). Make up your mind. Funny you think 'Canuk' is a derogatory term. If it were you would think the Vancouver's hockey team would be named something else so no... I don't agree with you

[KrazyDawg]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

So, is that 3 hours one way? In the SF area, that sounds about right, so you are donating 6 unproductive hours to what?? It doesn't go to your education, your job, or your family... Oh, dear...

It's 1h30m one way due to taking a different route to avoid paying two tolls and driving 60 MPH. The return trip varies from 1h45m to 2+ hours. A typical work day for me is leaving at 6 in the morning and returning around 9, so I'm gone for about 15 hours.

The fortunate ones are the workers that are able to commute by a work shuttle such as the one Google provides.

[why?]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

I've been called lots of things, Canuck doesn't bother me a bit. As a Canuck, I have travelled in the US and Europe without penalty, unlike some Americans I have met. The US has people travelling who should stay at home: somehow, they think that yelling at someone will help them understand English better! I've also met Americans here who think they are still in the US, and that US currency is to be treated the same as Canadian currency, and get REALLY huffy when they are told otherwise. Personally, I think it has to do with the parochial education system there...

I wish our schools were run by Church's, maybe more of the mental rejects would actually know something.

[TLyttle]

Gee, I would be careful of that one. The churches have a spotty record on schooling, from very good to very bad, about the same as the public-run institutions. Much of the failure of the school systems has more to do with political grandstanding than anything else: which President decided that "no child left behind" was a great policy? So now, the "mental rejects" end up with a high school diploma just as long as they actually show up at school. I am old enough to have survived a disciplined, complete education, based on the 3 Rs, plus a Social Studies course that taught us about more than just the country we lived in, and a history course covering the world. And if you didn't pass, you got to repeat it until you DID pass. Sure, spoken like an old dude, but I know my education is superior to anything taught in our schools now.

We also knew about guns, as WW11 was freshly over. We were taught to respect each other, not to fear each other. Much better.

[why?]

Originally Posted by TLyttle

Gee, I would be careful of that one. The churches have a spotty record on schooling, from very good to very bad, about the same as the public-run institutions. Much of the failure of the school systems has more to do with political grandstanding than anything else: which President decided that "no child left behind" was a great policy? So now, the "mental rejects" end up with a high school diploma just as long as they actually show up at school. I am old enough to have survived a disciplined, complete education, based on the 3 Rs, plus a Social Studies course that taught us about more than just the country we lived in, and a history course covering the world. And if you didn't pass, you got to repeat it until you DID pass. Sure, spoken like an old dude, but I know my education is superior to anything taught in our schools now.

We also knew about guns, as WW11 was freshly over. We were taught to respect each other, not to fear each other. Much better.

Definitely better.Which President decided a federal board of education was a good thing?

I agree Bush was bad for us, he has a love of big government that is so wrong, and he allowed Obama to come in and grow the government even more.

[STC]

Originally Posted by why?

I agree Bush was bad for us, he has a love of big government that is so wrong, and he allowed Obama to come in and grow the government even more.

The workings of the false left/right political dichotomy!

When will America see it's all a lie! Government for the Corporations and Government by the Corporations. They determine the government policy...

US Government is best described as a:

"Techno-plutocratic business-associational Crony Corporate-fascist Media/Entertainment induced Crimeocracy State", with the US President's job being the pitchman to sell the illusion... the supplier of the ‘bread and circuses’ to you via the corporate controlled Mainstream Media (MSM).

Cheers!

[why?]

Originally Posted by STC

The workings of the false left/right political dichotomy!

When will America see it's all a lie! Government for the Corporations and Government by the Corporations. They determine the government policy...

US Government is best described as a:

"Techno-plutocratic business-associational Crony Corporate-fascist Media/Entertainment induced Crimeocracy State", with the US President's job being the pitchman to sell the illusion... the supplier of the ‘bread and circuses’ to you via the corporate controlled Mainstream Media (MSM).

Cheers!

Well of course the corporations are going to do everything they can to hide it as much as possible. However some of the whisperings I have heard is that a ton of things citizens would assume is completely under governmental control was given to, and then taken over completely by private corporations. Kinda scary.

[TLyttle]

Time for another book, gentlemen, on the fate of not only your country, but most other countries on the planet. "The Secret History of the American Empire" by John Perkins shows that the "corporatocracy" does not want nation states to have control fo their natural and human resources, pressuring national governments to get on board with the global free trade agenda. Seems to me that this will lead to something that has eluded righteous leaders and madmen for the last century, world domination. Only this time, no one will survive as an individual unless they work towards this end. Is everybody happy?

[redglare45]

Switched from 17's (Centerline RPM's) to 15 inch steelies.
1st pic is the night before. 2nd Pic is the morning after, right after I filled up.
Drove about 85% highway/ 15% city.

[redglare45]

This is my second tank, back-to-back in the 40MPG mile range

Been doing mainly highway, about 85% and 15% City.
Distance:447.8 mi.
Fuel Used:10.433
MPG: 42.92