Toyota has some problems

[why?]

Originally Posted by p123456789

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.

I highly doubt chrysler can recover, their dealer network has such a bad reputation i don't see how anyone would want to go their.

GM has a couple good looking cars, but no history of reliability, and a long history of trash.

Ford has some momentum going, and some decent advertising, plus they didn't sell their soul to the government, so that is a major plus. Still it is going to take a decade of solid reliability before people will trust them again.

And besides hit pieces like this, even the government had to admit toyota did nothing wrong, and their reliability was just slandered, and was really fine. I just wish Toyota's boss' had the guts to tell off the senate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7180BK20110209

[carnageehw]

Originally Posted by why?

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

[rick996]

Originally Posted by carnageehw

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

You can check any car's reliability at but you have to be a member to see all the good stuff.

[rick996]

Originally Posted by why?

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage

I agree. I have never been a fan of American cars, even back in the 60's when muscle cars were in and the term for crap was planned obsolescence . Of the 20 cars I owned, 14 were non-American and six were American. Of the American cars: 1 came with my wife, 1 given to me when I got out of the service and couldn't afford to buy a car, 4 bought (big and old and cheap due to gas crisis 1- "The Big one ") for my wife to ferry the kids around and use for shopping.

Originally Posted by p123456789

I totally agree I'm sick of everyone thinking they have to keep up with the jonses while drowning in debt, I'm probably going to keep my yaris until it can't be driven any longer. I will also never buy a vehicle at a dealership I've worked at a couple and the stuff they won't fix on used cars is sickening they usually let the car go out broken hope the customer won't realize its broken and if they do they blame the customer what crap is that? They sell the car for full blown retail and give you black book trade in which is bs.

Even if you have money it can be used for better things than impressing people. I love YAR1S's quote "Spendin money that I don't have to buy parts that I don't need to impress people that I don't know". Personally I would rather travel and have fun experiences. Cars are for transportation. Drive them until they fall apart around you and all that depreciation money is in your pocket. My last car before the new Yaris was a faded green 1993 Subaru Legacy with duct tape over all the rust holes and not much left of the exhaust (that sound that people pay money for) bought used with 105K on it and driven over 10 years. When a new BMW would pass me and give me a "look" I would think "That person probably went into debt to impress people like us while we just had a blast in Amsterdam. " On the other hand I do feel cool on my Harley (Oh well, nobody's perfect ).

As to dealers, we actually found one great one and I'll put in a plug for them for anyone in the area with a Subaru. Suburban Subaru in Vernon, CT. I have have 4 Subaru's and my son 2. It's the only place I've ever found where you can tell them to do whatever the car needs and walk out feeling safe. We just took my son's 95 Legacy in for stalling, no check engine light. We picked up the car with a bill of $95 for cleaning the gunk in the throttle body. One time I brought the 93 in for the timing belt and walked out with a bill of $0. They looked it up and I had miscalculated.

[frownonfun]

Originally Posted by rick996

Even if you have money it can be used for better things than impressing people. I love YAR1S's quote "Spendin money that I don't have to buy parts that I don't need to impress people that I don't know".

I too like that quote. Of course it kinda makes me feel bad all the money I've spent on my little Yaris but oh well. I see it as a learning experience... both financial and mechanical.