Yaris Motor Swap Thread *Read before posting swap threads*

[yariseggvvti]

anyone swap 1.8L VVTL-i 180hp engine in the Yaris yet. I would like to know about the fitment and requirement. Thanks!

[10 Francis]

Personally, I am interested in the 4A-GE swap; I have a disassembled 4A that I took out of my MR2 sitting in storage, as well as a C52(?) transmission from a JDM AE92 Corolla.

[2greek4u]

Originally Posted by CrankyOldMan

The 1.8L Matrix (1st gen?) has a C59 trans, which has pretty much identical mounting holes to the C50/C56. I've got one of each on a workbench at school that I can take pictures of at some point.

I'm a new member on this Forum....but I have been forever on Newcelica.org( as "many"). I know the 2ZZ-GE inside and out. I know for a fact that the 1zz uses the C59 transmission and that one bolts up to the 2zz perfectly fine. So a 2ZZ swap wouldn't that hard...."IF" the C50/C56 has the same bolt pattern as the C59.
Of course there's the obvious engine supports that would need to be fabricated.
Bodywork modified/fortified(the subframe on the Yaris looks wimpy compared to the Celica).

You would need the Celica harness to be able to run the Power FC (Standalone) for the ecu.

The only hard part would be the axles fitting the hubs and finding a good 2ZZ with a C60 trans.
But is it worth.... it maybe not!.......but It does have "the" cool factor.

[TURBO YARIS]

2zz has been done in many cars in Puerto Rico. Do a search, I did a post about 2 years ago. I go into detail what need to be done

[ilikerice]

yea.. that was back in 2010... and no update on that thread... unfortunately. But definitely sounds doable. I would like to get the 2zr from the xD and boost that instead personally. I love boost so I want a motor that I can easily fit a turbo under the hood also. I am still saving up for something.. either boost 1nz or find a junk yard xD with the wire harness still in tact so I can look see how much the wiring will end up.

[xnamerxx]

I've always been curious about importing the 2nz-fae from Europe or Japan makes a nuts 147 hp and 132 ft/lb tq and it should fit quite easily.


http://www.chukyogomu.com/new_page_14.htm

[yarisugi]

I think you meant 2ZR-FAE. If this is the case, it'd be more feasible to source an engine from a Scion XD which is a 2ZR-FE.
Also used in Japan's Vitz RS. Not a whole lot of difference.
If you can find a JDM 1NZ-FE with factory turbo from a Toyota Vitz TRD Turbo M model, that would be even better! Similar HP in a 1.5 ltr engine.

[RXvedub]

I have a suggestion for those wanting to swap. My front motor mount is a hybrid. Chassis half is Echo and motor half is Celica. I put a spacer in between because the motor sits higher in the echo than the celica.

Just sayin, it might work with 2zr-fe.

also, my transmission is a 6spd out of a JDM ae111 corola with a 2000 celica bell housing. hybrid again. I use an ae111 tranny because they have the same size axles. celica axles are thicker yoke.

[xnamerxx]

yes I did mean 2zr...the FE doesn't seem worth while as a swap since I can easily buy an XD that already has the motor and the chassis with far less work.

I really wish the engine bay was large enough to take the 3mz engine that would be a cool swap.

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by xnamerxx

yes I did mean 2zr...the FE doesn't seem worth while as a swap since I can easily buy an XD that already has the motor and the chassis with far less work.

I really wish the engine bay was large enough to take the 3mz engine that would be a cool swap.

Yaris is 300lbs lighter, though

[ilikerice]

Originally Posted by thebarber

Yaris is 300lbs lighter, though

personal opinion.. Yaris looks alot better.

[Bluevitz-rs]

http://youtu.be/bRkxTpJXzEI

Randomly came across this...

[xnamerxx]

I'm not going to argue semantics but even if you did build your own T Sport you're still gaining close to 200 lbs and if I'm going to go through the hassle of a motor swap which I'm forced to gain weight Id rather do it for more than a 22 hp bump is all I'm saying.

And yes I don't like the look of the XD either.

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by xnamerxx

I'm not going to argue semantics but even if you did build your own T Sport you're still gaining close to 200 lbs and if I'm going to go through the hassle of a motor swap which I'm forced to gain weight Id rather do it for more than a 22 hp bump is all I'm saying.

And yes I don't like the look of the XD either.

how are you gaining 200lbs? the engine weighs about 40lbs more than a 1nzfe

you gain as much weight as you do adding a blitz supercharger kit...i weighed mine when i had it.

intake/header/exhaust ive been seeing about 145whp/140wtq on corolla's...thats on 87 octane and on an oem ecu

i ran 135whp/130wtq with i/h/e and 91 octance on my yaris...

im not saying that an engine swap would be easy...it won't be. but oem reliable power is a plus in my books

[xnamerxx]

I was using the T sport as reference which weighs about 180lbs more than the standard car.

What corollas are you seeing that make 145 hp on 87 octane? I don't think I've seen a single corolla not powered by a 2zz make anywhere near that much power N/A but excluding that its still only 20 hp more and your adding weight in the worse possible place in front of the axle. I'm not saying a superchargers better but its substantially cheaper. Hell my competitor with a 1zz corolla didn't even break 125 and he built it to the limit of the rules.

If you take into account the cost of getting the ECU, Transmission, Engine, Axles, and accessories pus the time it takes to swap it it just doesn't feel like its worth it for such small gains.

If your dead set on swapping a motor getting the 2zz swapped would be a much better choice as the gains make sense plus the motor is far less limited than the 1zr and 1zz.

[thebarber]

2zrfre corollas on corolla9.com have been making it....if i recall correctly

castrex, a member on this board with a TS, pulled the dyno below

40lbs isnt THAT much to add to the front, and you'll be adding that with a supercharger and at least that with a turbo/intercooler setup

n/a 1zz's ive seen will top out about 140whp with cam's....and the cams really suck at low rpms

2zz is a great engine, but only really with the c60. the transmission case is longer than the engine bay is wide in the yaris, so you'll need to notch the frame for it to fit. can be done, but its not typically an in-your-driveway swap.

what im saying, is that since the 2zrfe is available and, in theory, bolts up to a standard yaris transmission, its a decent option for oem-reliable power (in my opinion). a "new" supercharger kit, if you can find it, are about $3200-3400, used about $2000. i still think the 2zrfe swap could be done for $1500-2000 if you can DIY

im still keeping watch for a yaris cheap enough for me to attempt an engine swap

castrex dyno

[xnamerxx]

I've seen that dyno float around many times and its always associated with RichardHoldener but basically its a custom intake manifold, intake, long tube, and race exhaust which adds a considerable amount of cost to the project plus those parts don't exist and no one has been able to duplicate them so I don't believe its real. Most of the dynos fall in the low 120's to low 130's with high 110's being the norm for stock. I'm just saying 140's are unlikely to be seen from a 2zr swap.

40lbs is quite a bit of weight to add for 20hp but even so you still need an all the supporting parts to make it work plus its such a small gain I don't think its worth the effort.

I don't see what the issue with the c50 transmission is, for a higher powered engine the gear ratio's aren't terrible you just need to get a better final drive but that's not even that big of an issue since the weight gain is 80 lbs total for an extra almost 80 hp plus you also have room to grow and the engine has way better aftermarket support whereas the 2zr does not. The only reason I can see someone going with the 2zr is if they wan't to remain CARB compliant in which case I'd just sell the car and buy something else because it would be far easier and less of a hassle to get the power you want and still remain emissions compliant.

Like I said before I'd much rather swap to 3mz or a 2gr or even a 2az before I'd even consider a 2zr engine simply because the gains are more inline with someone who's modding a car would expect for power output.

[thebarber]

aucorium ran 145/140 whp/wtq
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40105

guy on matrixowners.com ran 118whp with intake, header, axleback on a slushbox. that could be about 135whp with a proper transmission. also, keep in mind that the stock matrix/corolla/xd exhaust shrinks down to 1.75" (like the yaris) after the resonator, so removing the axleback/muffler section only would have less gains than adding a midpipe (available now through rpm headers, actually)

anyways, i see what you're saying, the cost/benefit ratio could be skewed. turbo is still likely the best bang-for-the-buck, but i still love to entertain the idea of the 2zrfe swap. i think it can be done on the (relatively) cheap.

edit: this dyno too, slushbox 2zrfe corolla with intake 116whp (could also be as high as 134-135whp with a manual (25% loss assumed for auto vs 13% for manual) - - 116whp/0.75 = 155bhp x 0.87 = 134.5whp manual)

2zz/c60 would also require switching to a throttle cable...and you'd need both the engine and transmission. 2zz's run $1000-1500 and c60's are 500-1000...plus all the other stuff.

for potentialy "simplicity", i still like the 2zrfe