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[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Flammable

Ahh ok I see it only applies when its for hire. Well even that doesn't make any sense other than the city is levying a huge tax, er I mean permit fee, to shovel snow for hire. Stop and Frisk huh, I didn't know about that one and I bet it is without probable cause as well. Oh well who needs the bill of rights ha.

IMO, the Bill of Rights took a significant partial flush down the toilet with the passage of the Patriot Act, eroding the 4th Amendment. The FISA court has been known to just rubber stamp the government's requests. Not enough protection, IMO, of 4th Amendment rights. Remember the quote from Benjamin Franklin - "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".

The Supreme Court's Terry vs. Ohio decision (the 'bedrock' of stop and frisk) was bad enough, but it targeted only a limited number of people. In contrast, the Patriot Act...all of us, not just a limited number of people.

[Flammable]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

IMO, the Bill of Rights took a significant partial flush down the toilet with the passage of the Patriot Act, eroding the 4th Amendment. The FISA court has been known to just rubber stamp the government's requests. Not enough protection, IMO, of 4th Amendment rights. Remember the quote from Benjamin Franklin - "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".

The Supreme Court's Terry vs. Ohio decision (the 'bedrock' of stop and frisk) was bad enough, but it targeted only a limited number of people. In contrast, the Patriot Act...all of us, not just a limited number of people.

Totally agree with everything you said which is also why me and many others think 911 was a false flag. The govt creates a crisis and everyone is fine with losing rights to combat an "enemy".

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Flammable

Totally agree with everything you said which is also why me and many others think 911 was a false flag. The govt creates a crisis and everyone is fine with losing rights to combat an "enemy".

In 2006 I went to Times Square in NYC to get a shirt at the Hard Rock Cafe. This was the first time I had been to Times Square since 9/11. I found the presence of the police station there (right on the 'square') overwhelming, and a sad commentary on a post 9/11 world. I went to Times Square again a few months ago. The plethora of electronic billboards now takes some of the 'edge' off of having the police station there (unlike Piazza Navona in Rome....which billboards have ruined, IMO).

When the planes hit the towers, I must admit my first thought was.....who did GWB arrange to pay off to do this.....a manufactured crisis that could possibly make him look more presidential. Flammable, if you get the chance, I would recommend going to the 9/11 Memorial & Museum in lower Manhattan. The museum includes (in a self contained area) a vivid timeline, including incredible detail and background information. I had to rush that part of my visit (re the closing time), but I still realized re that painstaking level of documentation...standing up to the rude gaze of public scrutiny every day the museum is open...that any lingering bit of nagging doubt I had about the tragedy pretty much evaporated....it happened as presented there. I'm taking another trip to New York later this year, and whatever time I spend at the museum will be at that exhibit.

[Flammable]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

In 2006 I went to Times Square in NYC to get a shirt at the Hard Rock Cafe. This was the first time I had been to Times Square since 9/11. I found the presence of the police station there (right on the 'square') overwhelming, and a sad commentary on a post 9/11 world. I went to Times Square again a few months ago. The plethora of electronic billboards now takes some of the 'edge' off of having the police station there (unlike Piazza Navona in Rome....which billboards have ruined, IMO).

When the planes hit the towers, I must admit my first thought was.....who did GWB arrange to pay off to do this.....a manufactured crisis that could possibly make him look more presidential. Flammable, if you get the chance, I would recommend going to the 9/11 Memorial & Museum in lower Manhattan. The museum includes (in a self contained area) a vivid timeline, including incredible detail and background information. I had to rush that part of my visit (re the closing time), but I still realized re that painstaking level of documentation...standing up to the rude gaze of public scrutiny every day the museum is open...that any lingering bit of nagging doubt I had about the tragedy pretty much evaporated....it happened as presented there. I'm taking another trip to New York later this year, and whatever time I spend at the museum will be at that exhibit.

i don't know if or when I will ever make it to NYC but thanks for the tip and if I ever do make it there will be sure to check that 9/11 museum out. By the way how do they say 9/11 happened?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by Flammable

i don't know if or when I will ever make it to NYC but thanks for the tip and if I ever do make it there will be sure to check that 9/11 museum out. By the way how do they say 9/11 happened?

The terrorists were responsible....not the U.S. government or someone GWB arranged to pay. It wasn't an inside job. After I look at that exhibit in more detail later this year (unfortunately it is one part of the museum where they don't allow pictures), at some point in the future I plan to read the 9/11 Commisiion Report (available online?....I know it was once available in bookstores) in detail. I have a feeling they will dovetail each other.