Swapping ECU's? - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

cali yaris · 05-31-2010, 01:21 PM

racerfreak, it's simple. You can't swap in ANY ECU to the Yaris and have it run all the safety features and sub systems correctly. And you can't correct all of that with management. My understanding is you can't even swap in a Japanese Yaris ECU.

RacerFreakXXX · 05-31-2010, 03:30 PM

Well I guess having patience is all we can do now. I guess one step at a time and maybe one day someone will crack this ecu.

PETERPOOP · 05-31-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexus1155

get someone to wire it for another $100, and then tune for like $300..

i wish i have gotten those rates!

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Originally Posted by RacerFreakXXX

There is a blitz supercharger, that still needs to be tuned to work properly

WTF? Tuned to get it's max power, since it has a conservative tune; but tuned to work properly? WTF?

cdydjded · 05-31-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

i wish i have gotten those rates!

Rates like that only exist in Wonderland.....

cdydjded · 05-31-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

racerfreak, it's simple. You can't swap in ANY ECU to the Yaris and have it run all the safety features and sub systems correctly. And you can't correct all of that with management. My understanding is you can't even swap in a Japanese Yaris ECU.

Hey Garm did you take a look @ the Dezod ECU? It basically makes the factory ECU programable. CAN BUS and all..

Nexus1155 · 05-31-2010, 04:03 PM

I must be giving people killer deals then. I should double my prices lol I try to keep low for economy and to help people out., but anyone who would charge you over that to splice in like 20 or so wires, and anything more than $150 per hr tuning is too much imho

cdydjded · 05-31-2010, 04:21 PM

Cant compare a guy working out of his garage with no overhead to a legitimate business with a payroll & rent to pay. Id luv to see a standalone system that has 20 wires to connect. You get what you pay for.....

Nexus1155 · 05-31-2010, 04:50 PM

This is before we re-did the shop, its not much but its my home away from home. I really wish it was out of my home garage so I wouldn't be getting raped with rent :-/

20 wires was an understatement in most cases i do admit, but i was talking about a piggyback, just installing it in a kick panel, wiring the harness, and pulling them all through the firewall into the engine bay and wiring it up there.

cali yaris · 05-31-2010, 08:20 PM

^ do you have a dyno?

Nexus, your rates are unusually low - I think that's great, no criticism there, but I also think you can't simply generalize to all markets.

The only decent dyno tuners in LA charge $250 per hour and up, and there are only three of them that I would trust my car with.

Nexus1155 · 05-31-2010, 08:35 PM

No, sadly not, we were thinking about renting out another unit next door or behind us and chopping down the wall. Its 1500sq ft right now and we are packed to the brim kind of with all the equipment and cars we have in there.

We are on bad terms with the landlord already for overcrowding the parking area. 3 S4's outfront, 6 out back and like 3 BMWs and 2 astro vans and were really only suppose to have 5 spaces all together.

We can't really charge inflated rates here, but we do to some people who are willing to pay. A coworker did a job the other day for control arms and half shafts and banked in $850+ which is pretty good.

cdydjded · 05-31-2010, 09:37 PM

Well I stand corrected in assuming you work out of your garage at home. And Im glad that you realized your understatement. But my last point on this discussion is that the Dezod piece is not a piggyback. Its a unit that converts the factory ECU to a fully programable ECU. Its plug & play, it allows all factory functions to work, power steering, Can Bus, OBD2 port, A/C ect ect. Its not for everyone. The AEM FIC & eManage will sufice for 95% of the people here. This unit is for the person who want full control of the factory ECU or someone who has a built motor & is turbocharge or S/C & want to make real power.

cali yaris · 06-01-2010, 10:37 AM

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But my last point on this discussion is that the Dezod piece is not a piggyback. Its a unit that converts the factory ECU to a fully programable ECU. Its plug & play, it allows all factory functions to work, power steering, Can Bus, OBD2 port, A/C ect ect.

It's for the tC, not the Yaris. Like you said, it's the future for our car.

cdydjded · 06-01-2010, 11:20 AM

This unit is made by APR. It was originally made for the 4.0 Toyota trucks with S/C. Dezod & APR join together & with some internal modifications they got it to work on the TC. Dezod also got it to work on the xB2. The box itself is kind of universal but requires a jumper harness to connect to our ECU. Right now we are at the point of testing it on the Yaris.

cali yaris · 06-01-2010, 11:35 AM

to be continued then, sounds good!

*tk-421* · 06-01-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cdydjded

This is the future: http://www.dezod.com/pd_apr.cfm

Actually, I think this is the future: http://diyefi.org/index.htm
But we need something more plug-and-play...

cdydjded · 06-01-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tk-421

Actually, I think this is the future: http://diyefi.org/index.htm
But we need something more plug-and-play...

IMO this is more than most people can handle. I dont think people here are going to have the knowledge to put together an ECU to run there car. Its an option but I think it down low on the totem pole.

The unit Im working on is as PnP as it gets. Not one solder, crimp, tap is necessary.

bearda · 06-01-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tk-421

Actually, I think this is the future: http://diyefi.org/index.htm
But we need something more plug-and-play...

The problem is that standalones are becoming harder to PnP with newer ECUs. My Miata is simple, and for less than $500 I can buy a kit to assemble a fully programmable replacement for the stock ECU (Megasquirt DIYPNP). That's because the ECU runs the engine, and that's about it. The Yaris runs all sorts of shit through the ECU that's hard to replicate. Air bags, emissions testing, A/C, cruise control, immobilizer, etc.

You could build a unit that would control the stock timing and fuel without too much difficulty, but half the car still wouldn't work. That's why reflashes and interceptors are becoming more and more popular; it's hard to run anything else on a modern car.

cdydjded · 06-01-2010, 02:07 PM

I concour with bearda. As for building something, IMO it better to just buy a AEM FIC or eManage.

05-31-2010, 01:21 PM	#19
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	racerfreak, it's simple. You can't swap in ANY ECU to the Yaris and have it run all the safety features and sub systems correctly. And you can't correct all of that with management. My understanding is you can't even swap in a Japanese Yaris ECU. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

05-31-2010, 03:30 PM	#20
RacerFreakXXX JDM Fred View User's Garage Drives: 06 Mazda Miata Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somers NY Posts: 787	Well I guess having patience is all we can do now. I guess one step at a time and maybe one day someone will crack this ecu. __________________ 1990 Mazda Miata... I miss my Yaris

05-31-2010, 08:20 PM	#27
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	^ do you have a dyno? Nexus, your rates are unusually low - I think that's great, no criticism there, but I also think you can't simply generalize to all markets. The only decent dyno tuners in LA charge $250 per hour and up, and there are only three of them that I would trust my car with. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

06-01-2010, 11:35 AM	#32
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	to be continued then, sounds good! __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

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05-31-2010, 04:03 PM	#24
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	I must be giving people killer deals then. I should double my prices lol I try to keep low for economy and to help people out., but anyone who would charge you over that to splice in like 20 or so wires, and anything more than $150 per hr tuning is too much imho

05-31-2010, 04:21 PM	#25
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	Cant compare a guy working out of his garage with no overhead to a legitimate business with a payroll & rent to pay. Id luv to see a standalone system that has 20 wires to connect. You get what you pay for.....

05-31-2010, 04:50 PM	#26
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	This is before we re-did the shop, its not much but its my home away from home. I really wish it was out of my home garage so I wouldn't be getting raped with rent :-/ 20 wires was an understatement in most cases i do admit, but i was talking about a piggyback, just installing it in a kick panel, wiring the harness, and pulling them all through the firewall into the engine bay and wiring it up there.

05-31-2010, 08:35 PM	#28
Nexus1155 Bathroom + Laptop = <3 Drives: Audi Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dorchester Posts: 1,009	No, sadly not, we were thinking about renting out another unit next door or behind us and chopping down the wall. Its 1500sq ft right now and we are packed to the brim kind of with all the equipment and cars we have in there. We are on bad terms with the landlord already for overcrowding the parking area. 3 S4's outfront, 6 out back and like 3 BMWs and 2 astro vans and were really only suppose to have 5 spaces all together. We can't really charge inflated rates here, but we do to some people who are willing to pay. A coworker did a job the other day for control arms and half shafts and banked in $850+ which is pretty good.

05-31-2010, 09:37 PM	#29
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	Well I stand corrected in assuming you work out of your garage at home. And Im glad that you realized your understatement. But my last point on this discussion is that the Dezod piece is not a piggyback. Its a unit that converts the factory ECU to a fully programable ECU. Its plug & play, it allows all factory functions to work, power steering, Can Bus, OBD2 port, A/C ect ect. Its not for everyone. The AEM FIC & eManage will sufice for 95% of the people here. This unit is for the person who want full control of the factory ECU or someone who has a built motor & is turbocharge or S/C & want to make real power.

06-01-2010, 11:20 AM	#31
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	This unit is made by APR. It was originally made for the 4.0 Toyota trucks with S/C. Dezod & APR join together & with some internal modifications they got it to work on the TC. Dezod also got it to work on the xB2. The box itself is kind of universal but requires a jumper harness to connect to our ECU. Right now we are at the point of testing it on the Yaris.

06-01-2010, 02:07 PM	#36
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	I concour with bearda. As for building something, IMO it better to just buy a AEM FIC or eManage.