Get ready for Gas increase!

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by kou

i buy at shell gas statons.its a good job they have nothing to do with exxon-mobil. the amount of time spent looking then digging, transporting, refining at a dollor and change it is pretty cheap considering all the taxes added in to that cost the petrol itself doesnt really cost that much. and its true that 3 grandes at star@#$!s is a tank full of gas.

Just because it's a "Shell" gas station doesn't mean that they always sell "Shell" gas.

[darthbauer]

Originally Posted by bobby

As a shareholder of Exxon-Mobil, I love love love this person's attitude!!

Chevron's the only gas that's gone in my tank.

[kou]

o and gas just went down at my pump. $1.63 for 93 octane.

[gid]

Originally Posted by CrazedEpidemic

I don't mind if it goes up to $2/gallon. I think it should be taxed to $4/gallon to continue our path to a greener world and we should get rebates to offset the taxes so the money stays in America.

OBAMA and his people make 55 m.p.h. mandatory for all of U.S. , lot of lead foots out there . The revenue from tickets could be used to rebuild roads ( create jobs ) , hire more police ( to enforce speed limit = more $ ) , and used towards alternative energy . Last , the rest of the misused bailout money given to the auto manufacturers should be sent as a stimulus check (ex. $1,000 ) to the people to purchase an AMERICAN made vehicle of their choice that get good gas mileage , for example : 32 m.p.g. highway or better . Any suggestions welcome . LET'S PASS A BILL ($ ) OF OUR OWN .

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by gid

OBAMA and his people make 55 m.p.h. mandatory for all of U.S. , lot of lead foots out there . The revenue from tickets could be used to rebuild roads ( create jobs ) , hire more police ( to enforce speed limit = more $ )

They tried that shit around here after the Steel Mills closed up and went away. Lots of speed traps.

The net result has been that people avoid the areas with speed traps like the plague. This ends up costing the local businesses, especially convenience stores, hard ware stores and family restaurants. All this does is benefit Wal-Mart, which can build a place on the Interstate and attract the lost business.

More so, people grow contemptuous of Police. The Police rely heavily upon the local people for help to solve and prevent crime. Turning them into enemies breaks down the effectiveness of law enforcement.

Whoever came up with this idea of making Police into tax collectors must hate police.


The 55 mph Federal speed limit was mental masturbation. What it saved in gasoline, which was marginal, increased accident rates (in part because up to a certain speed accidents are caused more by differences in speed than in absolute speed) and cost people lost time that they needed for economic activity. We didn't have cell phones back then either, which means if we jack down the speed limits more people will do their business in their cars, leading to more traffic deaths.

You want to save money? Change the laws that govern high speed Internet so that more people can telecommute from home. Change the Federal Regs that underpin Zoning Laws so that local communities cannot practice Apartheid against home based business. Repeal Kelo vs New London in Congress (they acted against the Supreme Court with guns on school grounds didn't they?) so that people can be more secure in their private property.

Most of all, quit making "One Size Fits All" regulations unless they are absolutely necessary.

Originally Posted by gid

and used towards alternative energy .

Alternative to what?

Wind power? You need permits to put up windmills around here. One of my best friends is in a windy part of Fayette County, PA. He cannot get a permit - they've been doled out to politically connected people or require heavy amounts of paperwork.

Oddly enough, a bozo now and then tries to get his folks to get up of of their land to let them buy their property and build a windmill.

Dams cause fishies to suffer, and the waterways are the province of local, state and federal governments.

Wood? We've been burning wood since Homo Erectus walked the Earth. Big deal.

Algae? Not developed enough yet. Corn to ethanol? Boondoggle. Sawgrass? Cellulosic alcohol is probably worse than algae.

Originally Posted by gid

Last , the rest of the misused bailout money given to the auto manufacturers should be sent as a stimulus check (ex. $1,000 ) to the people to purchase an AMERICAN made vehicle of their choice that get good gas mileage , for example : 32 m.p.g. highway or better . Any suggestions welcome . LET'S PASS A BILL ($ ) OF OUR OWN .

How about any of the monies saved being applied against the Federal Deficit, so that we don't have to go hat in hand to China or Japan to save our butts - again.

Gene

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by CrazedEpidemic

I don't mind if it goes up to $2/gallon. I think it should be taxed to $4/gallon to continue our path to a greener world and we should get rebates to offset the taxes so the money stays in America.

No joke, I'd love to see a nation wide $1-2 per gallon tax that would go towards building modern railways. Think bullet trains All the way up and down the east & west coasts. Miami to NY with a stop at every big city. Then San Diego to LA to the Bay area to Portland to Seattle.

And then eventually a south and north cross country bullet train to connect the west & east coasts.

I think we should copy the japanese on this. Not just do bullet trains, but also put lots of money into local loop lines and such to reduce so much of the wear & tear on local roads & highways. The amount of money saved in road construction & maintenance would nearly offset the initial construction costs...

And to think if we could build a network of trains like japan has, you'd never get shit from your boss for being late when in reality there was a wreck on the roads.... trains in japan almost never get in wrecks, and run on time... nearly to the second.

[voodoo22]

Originally Posted by talnlnky

I think we should copy the japanese on this. Not just do bullet trains, but also put lots of money into local loop lines and such to reduce so much of the wear & tear on local roads & highways. The amount of money saved in road construction & maintenance would nearly offset the initial construction costs...

And to think if we could build a network of trains like japan has, you'd never get shit from your boss for being late when in reality there was a wreck on the roads.... trains in japan almost never get in wrecks, and run on time... nearly to the second.

A big reason the Japanese are so successful is that they are willing to copy. They copied London on their subway system and tried to improve it a little. The biggest thing I noticed in these subways, is they have a circle of tracks around the centre, not a bunch of straight lines like we do here in Toronto, which lead to nowhere and make the system useless to anyone who isn't traveling along one track.

Did you know that if your train is a couple of minutes late they will give you a note to give your Boss so you can prove it wasn't your fault you're late? I think the trains are on average 7 seconds late. That's the average for the entire country. The company you work for also pays for your transit pass and you can actually use the train systems to go all over the place. This is why the next generation in Japan is not interested in cars... you don't need one! Car sales have been declining for the last 5 years and are at their lowest in over 30 years Japan. They even have a word for this trend - kuruma banare - which means demotorization. Imagine not having to spend $5000 a year on transportation, not because you can't afford it, but because it takes longer to travel by car than by mass transit. Most people, from the lowest paid to the highest paid executives take mass transit to work for this very reason.

For me in Toronto the story is quite different.

Driving - 50 minute commute, 4 dollars in gas come and go as I please.

Mass Transit - 2 hours if I get all 3 buses perfectly, if one is late you can quickly add 30 minutes to that, over $19 in tickets and you can't even break even on a bus pass unless you use both ways on a 5 day work week and for 2 other trips.

Anyone think that maybe the people who benefit from our economy most don't want us to have a viable mass transit system?

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by voodoo22

Did you know that if your train is a couple of minutes late they will give you a note to give your Boss so you can prove it wasn't your fault you're late? I think the trains are on average 7 seconds late. That's the average for the entire country. The company you work for also pays for your transit pass and you can actually use the train systems to go all over the place. This is why the next generation in Japan is not interested in cars... you don't need one! Car sales have been declining for the last 5 years and are at their lowest in over 30 years Japan. They even have a word for this trend - kuruma banare - which means demotorization. Imagine not having to spend $5000 a year on transportation, not because you can't afford it, but because it takes longer to travel by car than by mass transit. Most people, from the lowest paid to the highest paid executives take mass transit to work for this very reason.

yes i did know that... and this is why...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...QOCotCwDg&cd=1


thats my old apartment.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by CrazedEpidemic

I don't mind if it goes up to $2/gallon. I think it should be taxed to $4/gallon to continue our path to a greener world and we should get rebates to offset the taxes so the money stays in America.

Sustained $4 gas will result in another great depression. That problem isn't that we don't have enough gas...its that the government is handcuffing business to get the gas.

Government is the problem!

[why?]

Originally Posted by daf62757

Government is the problem!

Government is always the problem. Always. The less the government does, the better off everyone is.

As for a 'greener" world and all that nonsense, let the markets do that. People should be free to make their own choices. That is why it is called freedom, not slavery.

[phenoyz]

ELECTION is over GAS is going to $5.00 / Gallon
YEHHHHEYYYYY

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by why?

Government is always the problem. Always. The less the government does, the better off everyone is.

As for a 'greener" world and all that nonsense, let the markets do that. People should be free to make their own choices. That is why it is called freedom, not slavery.

Yea, yea so "true"...and besides, we all know that corporate America, business owners, and the like are very, very, very, very honest and can be trusted.

Right....if you really believe that government is "always" the problem, you are (1) very young or (2) uneducated, or (3) inexperienced.

The fact that you used the word "always" immediately discredits all you write.

For the record, I am a Reagan Republican, and hate big government, and government largess, however I would NEVER say that government is always the problem. That clearly is a myth.

[PetersRedYaris]

That sort of sounds like government subsidized cars... All the stimulus/bailout packages need to stop. That's what is really setting us up for disaster.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Yawesh

get ready!

Could happen at any time for most any reason. People who have been buying big trucks and SUVs this fall obviously forgot that famous old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".


Gene

[gid]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Could happen at any time for most any reason. People who have been buying big trucks and SUVs this fall obviously forgot that famous old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".


Gene

screw it then . WHOOPEE , WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by gid

screw it then . WHOOPEE , WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!

Nahhh..... I'd rather see local communities and groups do work on alternative energy, creating a system that works and which could be applied by other people.

Letting the government run things seems tempting but usually leads to problems, not the least of which that good technical and scientific choices get passed over for political considerations. Putting it into the hands of industry is not always the best way either, since sometimes business people make stupid decisions. I'd rather see smaller businesses doing their bit with it in concert with local communities.

Communities that develop alternative energy, and can live with it, seem to me to be the best long term solution. For example, Ithaca New York has done some work with heat ponds.

Gene

[Black Yaris]

gas jumped from $1.59 to $1.89 today

[Midon]

gas has dropped around here again today from 1.42 to 1.36. I don't know when it will start to climb again, and i hope not for a little while, but I know it's comming.